Talismanic Devices and Imbuements on Islamic Arms

Jens Nordlunde · 29th January 2019, 09:28 PM

Jim,
The five dots are share one of the dots, have a look here.
This blade is quite unusual, as one side is wootz and the other side is pattern welded with only two fullers along the blade.

Jim McDougall · 29th January 2019, 10:39 PM

AHAH!!! The dreaded five dot combination!!!

OK that makes sense, and works out by saving space.
With that in mind, I think of the dot combinations in the Italian blade markings. ….those 'Genoan' sickle marks while seen in pretty standard arrangement were often realigned in all sorts of configurations.

It truly is interesting to look into. A mark may have had peculiar significance in its origin, then later become looked at as a sign of quality......further copying led to its use as an aesthetic theme or arrangement...its original meaning long lost.

In Germany the use of Toledo markings were much in this manner, and certain marks were paired or grouped completely incongruently .

It all makes for interesting study and investigation for those who enjoy a good mystery.....weapons have a lot of 'em!!

Edster · 30th January 2019, 02:13 AM

Great thread. I'm learning that:

Seldom is a cigar just a cigar!

Jens Nordlunde · 30th January 2019, 10:14 AM

Here is the sickle with the three dots.
Detail from a tulwar blade. Mughal late 17th to early 18th century.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th January 2019, 01:22 PM

SEE http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7138 where MATCHLOCK (RIP) placed a stunning article on the haquebus and showed three dots at #! on the 6th picture. BELOW

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th January 2019, 02:00 PM

More on the 3 dot structure using an image of an Afghanistan Pulwar ~

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th January 2019, 02:01 PM

More on the 3 dot structure using an image of an Islamic Gun at the cannon barrel end. ~

Norman McCormick · 30th January 2019, 02:09 PM

Hi,
Here's another configuration of the three dots. They are on a sword that I can only describe as an Indian style cutlass.
Regards,
Norman.

29th January 2019, 09:28 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Jim, The five dots are share one of the dots, have a look here. This blade is quite unusual, as one side is wootz and the other side is pattern welded with only two fullers along the blade. Attached Images

30th January 2019, 10:14 AM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Here is the sickle with the three dots. Detail from a tulwar blade. Mughal late 17th to early 18th century. Attached Images

30th January 2019, 01:22 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	SEE http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7138 where MATCHLOCK (RIP) placed a stunning article on the haquebus and showed three dots at #! on the 6th picture. BELOW Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 30th January 2019 at 02:28 PM.

30th January 2019, 02:00 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	More on the 3 dot structure using an image of an Afghanistan Pulwar ~ Attached Images

30th January 2019, 02:01 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	More on the 3 dot structure using an image of an Islamic Gun at the cannon barrel end. ~ Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 30th January 2019 at 02:23 PM.

29th January 2019, 10:39 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,190	AHAH!!! The dreaded five dot combination!!! OK that makes sense, and works out by saving space. With that in mind, I think of the dot combinations in the Italian blade markings. ….those 'Genoan' sickle marks while seen in pretty standard arrangement were often realigned in all sorts of configurations. It truly is interesting to look into. A mark may have had peculiar significance in its origin, then later become looked at as a sign of quality......further copying led to its use as an aesthetic theme or arrangement...its original meaning long lost. In Germany the use of Toledo markings were much in this manner, and certain marks were paired or grouped completely incongruently . It all makes for interesting study and investigation for those who enjoy a good mystery.....weapons have a lot of 'em!!

30th January 2019, 02:13 AM	#3
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 411	Great thread. I'm learning that: Seldom is a cigar just a cigar!

30th January 2019, 02:09 PM	#8
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi, Here's another configuration of the three dots. They are on a sword that I can only describe as an Indian style cutlass. Regards, Norman. Attached Images