A short balkan musket

Kubur · 14th December 2018, 10:38 PM

Just to feed the discussion
Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian
and a lock Portuguese?

kahnjar1 · 15th December 2018, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Just to feed the discussion
Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian
and a lock Portuguese?

Hi Kubur,
Yes the stock shown here is typically Algerian/Tunisian, (2 other Algerian guns shown) but does not resemble the SHAPE and PROFILE of the subject gun. It would appear that the lock has been identified as Portugese but the shape of the butt, although probably Balkan, has not yet been identified as ORIGINATING from a particular region, which is what Eftihis is trying to identify.
Stu

eftihis · 16th March 2021, 09:07 AM

Somehow, when posting, i missed to mention the inscription that is on the barrel. Hope someone can tell us what it is!

Philip · 17th March 2021, 04:57 AM

Could you please share a photo of the INSIDE of your lock? I might have some more info on it if I could verify what the internal mechanism looks like.

kwiatek · 17th March 2021, 09:11 AM

The inscription on the barrel says

ستة ٢٨٢

“Year (1)282” which is equivalent to 1865-6

The other inscription is more tricky. I think it says

عمل ساسي

“Work of Sassi”

Sassi is a name common in North Africa. I am not sure if it derives from a place, in which case it could be understood as having been made in that place. It might also come from Awlad Sassi, the name of an Algerian tribe

eftihis · 17th March 2021, 09:48 PM

Thank you very much for the translation kwiatek! Dear Philipp, here is the back of the lock.

rickystl · 18th March 2021, 06:38 PM

Hi Eftihis

Thanks for the lock photos.

The lock looks Portuguese to me also. One difference I notice is that the tumbler has to notches. One for safety and the upper for firing position. The Portuguese locks I've seen have only one firing notch on the tumbler as shown on the lock I posted. There is usually a thumb piece in front of the hammer neck that can be rotated to engage a slot in the neck of the hammer to act as a safety. Maybe yours is a different variant (?)
Philip can address these Portuguese locks better when he returns.

Again, very interesting gun with a mix of cultures.

Rick

14th December 2018, 10:38 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Just to feed the discussion Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian and a lock Portuguese? Attached Images

16th March 2021, 09:07 AM	#3
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Somehow, when posting, i missed to mention the inscription that is on the barrel. Hope someone can tell us what it is! Attached Images

17th March 2021, 09:48 PM	#6
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Thank you very much for the translation kwiatek! Dear Philipp, here is the back of the lock. Attached Images

17th March 2021, 04:57 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Could you please share a photo of the INSIDE of your lock? I might have some more info on it if I could verify what the internal mechanism looks like.

17th March 2021, 09:11 AM	#5
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	The inscription on the barrel says ستة ٢٨٢ “Year (1)282” which is equivalent to 1865-6 The other inscription is more tricky. I think it says عمل ساسي “Work of Sassi” Sassi is a name common in North Africa. I am not sure if it derives from a place, in which case it could be understood as having been made in that place. It might also come from Awlad Sassi, the name of an Algerian tribe

18th March 2021, 06:38 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Eftihis Thanks for the lock photos. The lock looks Portuguese to me also. One difference I notice is that the tumbler has to notches. One for safety and the upper for firing position. The Portuguese locks I've seen have only one firing notch on the tumbler as shown on the lock I posted. There is usually a thumb piece in front of the hammer neck that can be rotated to engage a slot in the neck of the hammer to act as a safety. Maybe yours is a different variant (?) Philip can address these Portuguese locks better when he returns. Again, very interesting gun with a mix of cultures. Rick