A short balkan musket

rickystl · 13th December 2018, 03:58 PM

Hi Eftihis

That is a very interesting musket. As Stu mentioned, the stock shape is done very much in Ottoman/Turkish fashion. But as Kubur mentioned, the decoration does indeed remind me of Tunisian. The lock is definitely a Portuguese variant. Probably made for export. And the Link provided above which included Philip's comprehensive post is most helpful.

Eftihis: Could you post a close-up photo of the lock ? If possible, an outside, inside, and top views ?

Again, a really nice and interesting shoulder gun. Could have been made for a Tunisian customer using a variety of parts available.

Here is a pic of the later made, cheap quality copies made for the African continent. This one is in working order, but took some work. LOL

Rick

Fernando K · 13th December 2018, 06:31 PM

Hello

The lock presented by Ricky is not exactly a copy. because the half cock is achieved by the little piece that is in front of the cock. In change in the weapon presented by Efthis, the half cock is achieved by a notch in the tumbler, as in all lock with vertical shooting system

Affectionately

Kubur · 14th December 2018, 10:38 PM

Just to feed the discussion
Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian
and a lock Portuguese?

kahnjar1 · 15th December 2018, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Just to feed the discussion
Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian
and a lock Portuguese?

Hi Kubur,
Yes the stock shown here is typically Algerian/Tunisian, (2 other Algerian guns shown) but does not resemble the SHAPE and PROFILE of the subject gun. It would appear that the lock has been identified as Portugese but the shape of the butt, although probably Balkan, has not yet been identified as ORIGINATING from a particular region, which is what Eftihis is trying to identify.
Stu

eftihis · 16th March 2021, 09:07 AM

Somehow, when posting, i missed to mention the inscription that is on the barrel. Hope someone can tell us what it is!

Philip · 17th March 2021, 04:57 AM

Could you please share a photo of the INSIDE of your lock? I might have some more info on it if I could verify what the internal mechanism looks like.

kwiatek · 17th March 2021, 09:11 AM

The inscription on the barrel says

ستة ٢٨٢

“Year (1)282” which is equivalent to 1865-6

The other inscription is more tricky. I think it says

عمل ساسي

“Work of Sassi”

Sassi is a name common in North Africa. I am not sure if it derives from a place, in which case it could be understood as having been made in that place. It might also come from Awlad Sassi, the name of an Algerian tribe

13th December 2018, 03:58 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Eftihis That is a very interesting musket. As Stu mentioned, the stock shape is done very much in Ottoman/Turkish fashion. But as Kubur mentioned, the decoration does indeed remind me of Tunisian. The lock is definitely a Portuguese variant. Probably made for export. And the Link provided above which included Philip's comprehensive post is most helpful. Eftihis: Could you post a close-up photo of the lock ? If possible, an outside, inside, and top views ? Again, a really nice and interesting shoulder gun. Could have been made for a Tunisian customer using a variety of parts available. Here is a pic of the later made, cheap quality copies made for the African continent. This one is in working order, but took some work. LOL Rick Attached Images

14th December 2018, 10:38 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Just to feed the discussion Tirri's Tunisian gun with a stock / butt Ottoman / Algerian and a lock Portuguese? Attached Images

16th March 2021, 09:07 AM	#5
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Somehow, when posting, i missed to mention the inscription that is on the barrel. Hope someone can tell us what it is! Attached Images

13th December 2018, 06:31 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello The lock presented by Ricky is not exactly a copy. because the half cock is achieved by the little piece that is in front of the cock. In change in the weapon presented by Efthis, the half cock is achieved by a notch in the tumbler, as in all lock with vertical shooting system Affectionately

17th March 2021, 04:57 AM	#6
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Could you please share a photo of the INSIDE of your lock? I might have some more info on it if I could verify what the internal mechanism looks like.

17th March 2021, 09:11 AM	#7
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	The inscription on the barrel says ستة ٢٨٢ “Year (1)282” which is equivalent to 1865-6 The other inscription is more tricky. I think it says عمل ساسي “Work of Sassi” Sassi is a name common in North Africa. I am not sure if it derives from a place, in which case it could be understood as having been made in that place. It might also come from Awlad Sassi, the name of an Algerian tribe