Unknow sword

not2sharp · 10th April 2006, 03:00 PM

All else aside; wouldn't the presence of verdigris indicate a sword of recent manufacture. Were this to be an old sword, the accumulated patina would protect against that sort of decomposition.

"Until the 19th century, verdigris was the most vibrant green pigment available and frequently used in painting. However, its lightfastness and air resistance is very low: in presence of light and air green verdigris becomes stable brown copper oxide."(Wikipedia)

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VANDOO · 10th April 2006, 03:30 PM

I HAVE A SWORD JUST LIKE YOURS AND HAVE SEEN LOTS OF THEM ON EBAY. THEY ARE INTERESTING DECORATOR ITEMS AND IF YOU CAN GET THEM FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ARE COOL SOUVINEERS. UNFORTUNATELY CHINA HAS BECOME INFAMOUS FOR SELLING A $10.00 ITEM FOR .99 BUT THEN CHARGEING YOU $100.00 FOR S&H ON EBAY SO IF I SEE ITS FROM CHINA I JUST MOVE ON AND DON'T BID. YOU CAN SEARCH ON THE OLD FORUMS UNDER BRONZE AND FIND SOME POSTS, THERE IS ONE "REPLICAS CURRENTLY IN VOUGE" POSTTED 8/07/2001 THAT ADDRESSES THIS. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE PICTURES ARE GONE.

smp · 10th April 2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

I HAVE A SWORD JUST LIKE YOURS AND HAVE SEEN LOTS OF THEM ON EBAY. THEY ARE INTERESTING DECORATOR ITEMS AND IF YOU CAN GET THEM FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ARE COOL SOUVINEERS. UNFORTUNATELY CHINA HAS BECOME INFAMOUS FOR SELLING A $10.00 ITEM FOR .99 BUT THEN CHARGEING YOU $100.00 FOR S&H ON EBAY SO IF I SEE ITS FROM CHINA I JUST MOVE ON AND DON'T BID. YOU CAN SEARCH ON THE OLD FORUMS UNDER BRONZE AND FIND SOME POSTS, THERE IS ONE "REPLICAS CURRENTLY IN VOUGE" POSTTED 8/07/2001 THAT ADDRESSES THIS. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE PICTURES ARE GONE.

Thanks for you information. I will check ebay more carefully...

micas · 10th April 2006, 03:33 PM

As I understand it, there are several techniques to create a false patina. One involves burying them in the ground for a year or few; certain soil types accelerate the oxidization process. I've tried to get up close looks at the museum bronzes patina versus the patina on the tourist "antique" bronzes but for the life of me, I can never be certain.

Anyways, this is why I don't try to buy any antique bronzes for over 5usd :-)

10th April 2006, 03:00 PM	#1
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	All else aside; wouldn't the presence of verdigris indicate a sword of recent manufacture. Were this to be an old sword, the accumulated patina would protect against that sort of decomposition. "Until the 19th century, verdigris was the most vibrant green pigment available and frequently used in painting. However, its lightfastness and air resistance is very low: in presence of light and air green verdigris becomes stable brown copper oxide."(Wikipedia) n2s

10th April 2006, 03:30 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE A SWORD JUST LIKE YOURS AND HAVE SEEN LOTS OF THEM ON EBAY. THEY ARE INTERESTING DECORATOR ITEMS AND IF YOU CAN GET THEM FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ARE COOL SOUVINEERS. UNFORTUNATELY CHINA HAS BECOME INFAMOUS FOR SELLING A $10.00 ITEM FOR .99 BUT THEN CHARGEING YOU $100.00 FOR S&H ON EBAY SO IF I SEE ITS FROM CHINA I JUST MOVE ON AND DON'T BID. YOU CAN SEARCH ON THE OLD FORUMS UNDER BRONZE AND FIND SOME POSTS, THERE IS ONE "REPLICAS CURRENTLY IN VOUGE" POSTTED 8/07/2001 THAT ADDRESSES THIS. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE PICTURES ARE GONE.

10th April 2006, 03:33 PM	#4
micas Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	As I understand it, there are several techniques to create a false patina. One involves burying them in the ground for a year or few; certain soil types accelerate the oxidization process. I've tried to get up close looks at the museum bronzes patina versus the patina on the tourist "antique" bronzes but for the life of me, I can never be certain. Anyways, this is why I don't try to buy any antique bronzes for over 5usd :-)