Matchlock gun of Afghanistan?

corrado26 · 29th August 2018, 03:27 PM

It was very interesting to follow the discussion caused by my question and I have to thank all participants who entered their contributions.
corrado26

bhushan_lawate · 30th August 2018, 12:15 PM

Clearly of Indian origin. it has an inventory no. "188???" and Jaipur along with the name of the district "Dhamwa???"

a couple of clearer snaps will be helpful..

ariel · 30th August 2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bhushan_lawate

Clearly of Indian origin. it has an inventory no. "188???" and Jaipur along with the name of the district "Dhamwa???"

a couple of clearer snaps will be helpful..

Of course. There is no doubt it is from India: the inscription is indisputable.
The question is , whence in India?
Obviously, it is not Sindhi.
Afghanistan has very weak support: only one known jezail with rattan bindings.
Calling it Afghani because it was bought nearby is amusing: naan and samosas bought in the US remain purely Indian food. We are discussing here ethnic origins of weapons, not their trade routes. That is IMHO, the root of the confusion.

Since you are located in India and obviously interested in weapons, could you pitch in?
My sources are limited: two guns from Ashoka Arts and Egerton’s example #139 show similar stocks from South India.
Nothing in the collections from Leeds and Mysore Palace.
But there are at least 10 of those ( obviously much more lavish) in the Sandringham collection and those are firmly attributed to Indore ( Central India).

mahratt · 30th August 2018, 07:27 PM

I would assume that what do I write am difficult to understand because of my bad English... But, I see that most of the participants understood me correctly.

No one in this thread claimed that matchlock corrado26 - Afghan matchlock. On the contrary all (including me) write that matchlock corrado26 - Indian.
Corrado in his first post suggested that his gun was from Afghanistan:

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Originally Posted by corrado26

A friend of mine sent me these fotos asking me to help with an identification. I think it could be a piece from Afghanistan but am not sure. Thanks for help.
corrado26

Rick and I wrote that this matchlock could theoretically be used in Afghanistan (but not that it is made there) . Theoretically, because personally I, for example, have not seen exactly the same matchlocks like matchlock corrado26 in photographs and lithographs of the late 19th - early 20th century, which have Afghans with rifles. At the same time, the possibility that such a matchlock could be used in Afghanistan cannot be completely denied. Because matchlocks from Sindh and India were used in Afghanistan (this is an objective reality, proved in this topic). At the same time, no one disputes that they were made in Sindh and India. Hope I wrote understandable

By the way, it has already been written that rattan fibers were used far beyond the range of the plant from which these fibers are obtained.

Was the matchlock, we are discussing, manufactured in South India? Yes, most likely.

Let's read the posts, which that others write, more carefully.

Best Regards. Dima

P.S. Rick, I hope you liked the photo?

ariel · 30th August 2018, 08:53 PM

I am glad you are finally beginning to step away from Afghanistan and Sindh and agree with my original suggestion of South India.

Meanwhile, please check my recent post: a relatively large number of similar guns were indisputably attributed to Indore.

So just for the fun of it, we may want to choose between these two possibilities. It's nice to be able to narrow the field.

mahratt · 30th August 2018, 09:20 PM

I see, that you still do not understand what the topic is about

Re-read the topic from the very beginning. So far it seems that you read only your own posts

And for now I'll put an interesting illustration:

ariel · 30th August 2018, 10:13 PM

Mahratt,
I can see that you are becoming progressively more agitated and, as often happens with you when your assertions are disputed, more and more sarcastic and even offensive.
Let me reassure you: there is nothing personal on my end. I am not into any firearms, and the current topic just randomly piqued my interest. I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less where this gun is from. It is just a detective story, no more.
So please calm down and try to be more polite.

Thanks for the pic. Would be nice to know what part of the world we are talking about and the origin of this gun. I recall that only 2 hours ago you considered the Corrado's gun to be of South Indian origin, " most likely".

Please refer to my note about Sandringham collection: its attributions are ironclad.

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mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I see, that you still do not understand what the topic is about Re-read the topic from the very beginning. So far it seems that you read only your own posts And for now I'll put an interesting illustration: Attached Images

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corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	It was very interesting to follow the discussion caused by my question and I have to thank all participants who entered their contributions. corrado26

30th August 2018, 12:15 PM	#2
bhushan_lawate Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 77	Clearly of Indian origin. it has an inventory no. "188???" and Jaipur along with the name of the district "Dhamwa???" a couple of clearer snaps will be helpful..

30th August 2018, 08:53 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am glad you are finally beginning to step away from Afghanistan and Sindh and agree with my original suggestion of South India. Meanwhile, please check my recent post: a relatively large number of similar guns were indisputably attributed to Indore. So just for the fun of it, we may want to choose between these two possibilities. It's nice to be able to narrow the field.

30th August 2018, 10:13 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Mahratt, I can see that you are becoming progressively more agitated and, as often happens with you when your assertions are disputed, more and more sarcastic and even offensive. Let me reassure you: there is nothing personal on my end. I am not into any firearms, and the current topic just randomly piqued my interest. I have no dog in this fight and couldn't care less where this gun is from. It is just a detective story, no more. So please calm down and try to be more polite. Thanks for the pic. Would be nice to know what part of the world we are talking about and the origin of this gun. I recall that only 2 hours ago you considered the Corrado's gun to be of South Indian origin, " most likely". Please refer to my note about Sandringham collection: its attributions are ironclad.