Relic of a Javanese kriss whith original warangka

Athanase · 28th August 2018, 10:13 AM

Thank you for your help.

Jean · 28th August 2018, 05:00 PM

The gambar tumanggal of Athanase's kris is very nice and peculiar because of the longitudinal ridge on both sides but I doubt that it dates from the Kartasura period or before....
Regards

David · 28th August 2018, 06:18 PM

Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose.
The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

Jean · 28th August 2018, 07:35 PM

I am always hesitant to assess such a damaged blade, is it a precious but worn-out/ neglected pusaka or just worthless rubbish? In Europe the collectors tend to follow the second alternative, for instance I had little success in trying to sell these 2 very old krisses....
In the case of Athanase's kris, it is a pity that the blade be in such a poor condition indeed as it was certainly a very good piece originally. I would certainly have bought the kris just for the dress and hilt. A good way to re-use the blade would be to make a new blade partly from it for keeping its power...
Regards

Bejo · 29th August 2018, 09:09 AM

Hi,

I have a warongko that have similarities with warongko Wulan Tumanggal but in gayaman form. Does anyone have any information about my warongko?

Thank you,

Regards,

Joe

Athanase · 30th August 2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose.
The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

I agree with you, for me it's unlikely that the scabbard is mid-18th century. Being reasonable I would say that it dates from the 19th century.

For the Mendak, I have several old but what are the typical forms from East Java? (to be in accordance with the handle)

Bejo · 31st August 2018, 11:25 AM

Hi,

They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura.

Regards,

Joe

Athanase · 1st September 2018, 10:39 AM

Thank you!

Jean · 1st September 2018, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bejo

Hi,

They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura.

Regards,

Joe

Nice mendaks collection, thank you! It seems to me that some pieces may be from Central Java but not a big deal!
Regards

David · 1st September 2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Nice mendaks collection, thank you! It seems to me that some pieces may be from Central Java but not a big deal!
Regards

I agree Jean. Here are some mendaks that were presented here a while back as East Jawa.

28th August 2018, 07:35 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I am always hesitant to assess such a damaged blade, is it a precious but worn-out/ neglected pusaka or just worthless rubbish? In Europe the collectors tend to follow the second alternative, for instance I had little success in trying to sell these 2 very old krisses.... In the case of Athanase's kris, it is a pity that the blade be in such a poor condition indeed as it was certainly a very good piece originally. I would certainly have bought the kris just for the dress and hilt. A good way to re-use the blade would be to make a new blade partly from it for keeping its power... Regards Attached Images

29th August 2018, 09:09 AM	#5
Bejo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: East Java, Indonesia Posts: 42	Hi, I have a warongko that have similarities with warongko Wulan Tumanggal but in gayaman form. Does anyone have any information about my warongko? Thank you, Regards, Joe Attached Images

31st August 2018, 11:25 AM	#7
Bejo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: East Java, Indonesia Posts: 42	Hi, They are some mendak that I think from East Java and Madura. Regards, Joe Attached Images Last edited by Bejo; 31st August 2018 at 12:49 PM.

28th August 2018, 10:13 AM	#1
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Thank you for your help.

28th August 2018, 05:00 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The gambar tumanggal of Athanase's kris is very nice and peculiar because of the longitudinal ridge on both sides but I doubt that it dates from the Kartasura period or before.... Regards

28th August 2018, 06:18 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Well, i don't think that it is too important whether or not this wrongko was made during the Mataram/Kartosuro period or not, it is still a nice example of a fairly rare Javanese keris sheath and certainly worthy of collection just for this dress alone. The hilt is also pretty nice. I agree with Jean though that it is unlikely that the dress dates back as far as the 18th century, though it would not be impossible i suppose. The blade, however, well may. It is a pity that it has undergone so much blade erosion. If it were mine i might find a decent mendak just to return some dignity to the ensemble.

1st September 2018, 10:39 AM	#8
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Thank you!