ANOTHER JAZAIL

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Stu

Thanks for your comments. After closer inspection, it appears to be HIRST.

Rick

OK there is a Jonathan Hirst listed as working at Tower Hill, London 1760-1805. The dates are right so it could well be him.
Stu

[rickystl]

Hi Stu

Yes, HIRST it is. Here is a better pic....

The lock on this gun is in heavily worn condition. I'll get it cleaned and reasonably repaired to working order. I'll re-post so that you can see how worn this lock is. Considering this, it's amazing the rest of the gun is in as good a shape as it is. This gun's seen a lot of campaigns.

Rick

[kahnjar1]

It is quite likely that the gun itself is a lot younger than the lock. As we are well aware, tribal gun makers often used parts from older guns to create their items.
Stu

[Richard G]

Hello,
There are a couple of anomalies I can see in this lock.
1, A lock dated 1799 should have a swan-necked cock rather than ring-necked. The EIC did use ring-necked flat locks, but on pistols rather than long arms. The ring-necked cock they brought in for long arms in about 1813 was a rounded cock.
2, It would be very unusual not to see an inspection mark under the pan.
3, The upper arm of the spring that powers the frizzen or steel should extend backwards well beyond the screw securing the lower arm of the spring. In this lock I wonder if the spring is broken because it looks almost too short to bear on the frizzen when it is brought down.
Regards
Richard

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by Richard G

Hello,
There are a couple of anomalies I can see in this lock.
1, A lock dated 1799 should have a swan-necked cock rather than ring-necked. The EIC did use ring-necked flat locks, but on pistols rather than long arms. The ring-necked cock they brought in for long arms in about 1813 was a rounded cock.
2, It would be very unusual not to see an inspection mark under the pan.
3, The upper arm of the spring that powers the frizzen or steel should extend backwards well beyond the screw securing the lower arm of the spring. In this lock I wonder if the spring is broken because it looks almost too short to bear on the frizzen when it is brought down.
Regards
Richard

Hi Richard

Thanks for your comments. You are correct in all three of your notes above. I noticed the incorrect, flat hammer before I bid. The rest I couldn't determine from the Auction photos. But I knew enough to tell the lock plate was authentic, and not a locally made copy.
I'll take the lock off and let it soak. Then check it out and see whats all wrong, worn, or missing. LOL Fortunately, in my case, I probably have enough original spare parts to make the lock working and correct. Even a couple of complete EIC locks that are correct to the period.
It appears to have hsd at some point some lock parts replaced with whatever was lying around at the moment. But this does not really surprise me with these Jazails. LOL But one way or the other, I'll get this lock correct.
But for me, the big attraction was that fluted barrel.
Thanks again for your comments.

Rick

[Pukka Bundook]

Hi Rick,

I like this one!
As you say above, it is very nice to get the Persian/Omani barrel!
We do not see many of these on jezails or toradors, odd one, but that's it.
It (The barrel) looks well worn, and has had a lot of use, but it is still a grand specimen.
As for lock with replacement parts;
This is to be expected when we think of where it came from and the conditions it 'lived' under. Brass may be later, I don't know, but the decoration to me appeals more than tons of mother-of -pearl!

Are you going to revive and fire it? ...I think I would.....

[AJ1356]

Very nice, interestingly I had added this to my favorites list but forgot the auction day. the furniture and everything looks original, awesome find.

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

Hi Rick,

I like this one!
As you say above, it is very nice to get the Persian/Omani barrel!
We do not see many of these on jezails or toradors, odd one, but that's it.
It (The barrel) looks well worn, and has had a lot of use, but it is still a grand specimen.
As for lock with replacement parts;
This is to be expected when we think of where it came from and the conditions it 'lived' under. Brass may be later, I don't know, but the decoration to me appeals more than tons of mother-of -pearl!

Are you going to revive and fire it? ...I think I would.....

Hi Richard

Thanks for your comments. Yes, this one's seen a lot of use. I haven't had the barrel off yet, but I'm sure it's pre-1800. Considering all the usage, I'm surprised the stock is in such good condition. As mentioned, I'll get the lock corrected in due course.
No, won't make a shooter out of this one. Already have another for shooting. This one's a bit plainer, and was completely restored including a new .54 caliber rifled barrel liner inside the original barrel.

Rick