opinions on my kerises

nechesh · 21st January 2005, 09:28 PM

Hi Casey. The first 3 look like fairly nice new keris, late 20th century. The last 3 are older. #4, the Bugis keris looks like a fairly nice one that could use a good restaining to really raise the pamor pattern. The 23 luk (#6) keris is pretty unusual, anything truly old with that many curves would be. Turn the handle around so it faces like the others. #5 looks like it could be pamor Adeg of some sort, again in need of restaining. #2 and #3 have nice modern examples of rare Jawa hilt forms.
I know you are anxious to find out about these blades you've been gifted, but it might be less confusing if you presented fewer at a time. One ot two would be ideal so people can really focus on what you are presenting and give you more indepth descriptions and analysis.

BluErf · 22nd January 2005, 02:18 AM

Hey, nice jawa demam on the riau keris. The 'lattice'-work on the buah pinang (the 'ball' on which the figure sits) is a less common feature, and in this case, quite nicely carved. The jawa demam also has a more 'alive and fleshy' feel to it. The tilt of the head is graceful, a little minus point is that his garuda mungkur (the pointed trangular feature at the top of the hilt) is a bit broken at the tip.

casey · 22nd January 2005, 03:30 AM

Sorry Nechesh I'm like a kid in a candy store.Here are two that I like for no particular reason they just appeal to me.I will start with them and won't bambard you all with pics.Thanks for your reply and also BlueErf.I think you are commenting on #4 and #5 is that right ? Sorry for my ignorance,total novice but I want to make sure that I can place what you are taking the time out to tell me Thanks Case

nechesh · 22nd January 2005, 04:56 AM

No problem Casey, i understand your enthusiasm. You've been stradled with a heavy burden here, If only i could be so cursed.

Again you have present one new keris and one old. The first one is a modern 3 luk keris singo (lion) in Yogyakarta gayaman (everyday) dress. The second is older (19thC ?) in Surakarta Ladrang (formal) dress. I'd like to see this one restained because the pamor looks like it may be interesting. Almost looks like writing (Islamic) on the blade, which is certainly not beyond possibilities.

casey · 22nd January 2005, 05:40 AM

Good spotting Nechesh I didnt know if the writing would be noticeable from the pics.I am not game enough to try and clean the blades yet need to learn more about them and be cleer on the correct techniques.Is writing on the blade unusual? thanks Case

nechesh · 22nd January 2005, 05:50 AM

Well, i've seen a lot of it on blades made for tourist trade, but this blade does not appear to be one of those to me, in which case i will say that i do find it somewhat uncommon. Does the writing appear to be made of pamor material or perhaps silver?

casey · 22nd January 2005, 06:06 AM

Hard to say Nechesh it does seem a little different to normal pamor but I wouldn,t call it either way it needs to be cleaned to get a better idea.I have been reading some other threads and would like to know if soaking these blades in vinager would be a good start? Any suggestions.

21st January 2005, 09:28 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Casey. The first 3 look like fairly nice new keris, late 20th century. The last 3 are older. #4, the Bugis keris looks like a fairly nice one that could use a good restaining to really raise the pamor pattern. The 23 luk (#6) keris is pretty unusual, anything truly old with that many curves would be. Turn the handle around so it faces like the others. #5 looks like it could be pamor Adeg of some sort, again in need of restaining. #2 and #3 have nice modern examples of rare Jawa hilt forms. I know you are anxious to find out about these blades you've been gifted, but it might be less confusing if you presented fewer at a time. One ot two would be ideal so people can really focus on what you are presenting and give you more indepth descriptions and analysis.

22nd January 2005, 02:18 AM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hey, nice jawa demam on the riau keris. The 'lattice'-work on the buah pinang (the 'ball' on which the figure sits) is a less common feature, and in this case, quite nicely carved. The jawa demam also has a more 'alive and fleshy' feel to it. The tilt of the head is graceful, a little minus point is that his garuda mungkur (the pointed trangular feature at the top of the hilt) is a bit broken at the tip.

22nd January 2005, 03:30 AM	#3
casey Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: australia Posts: 13	Sorry Nechesh I'm like a kid in a candy store.Here are two that I like for no particular reason they just appeal to me.I will start with them and won't bambard you all with pics.Thanks for your reply and also BlueErf.I think you are commenting on #4 and #5 is that right ? Sorry for my ignorance,total novice but I want to make sure that I can place what you are taking the time out to tell me Thanks Case Attached Images

22nd January 2005, 04:56 AM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	No problem Casey, i understand your enthusiasm. You've been stradled with a heavy burden here, If only i could be so cursed. Again you have present one new keris and one old. The first one is a modern 3 luk keris singo (lion) in Yogyakarta gayaman (everyday) dress. The second is older (19thC ?) in Surakarta Ladrang (formal) dress. I'd like to see this one restained because the pamor looks like it may be interesting. Almost looks like writing (Islamic) on the blade, which is certainly not beyond possibilities.

22nd January 2005, 05:40 AM	#5
casey Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: australia Posts: 13	Good spotting Nechesh I didnt know if the writing would be noticeable from the pics.I am not game enough to try and clean the blades yet need to learn more about them and be cleer on the correct techniques.Is writing on the blade unusual? thanks Case

22nd January 2005, 05:50 AM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Well, i've seen a lot of it on blades made for tourist trade, but this blade does not appear to be one of those to me, in which case i will say that i do find it somewhat uncommon. Does the writing appear to be made of pamor material or perhaps silver?

22nd January 2005, 06:06 AM	#7
casey Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: australia Posts: 13	Hard to say Nechesh it does seem a little different to normal pamor but I wouldn,t call it either way it needs to be cleaned to get a better idea.I have been reading some other threads and would like to know if soaking these blades in vinager would be a good start? Any suggestions.