PARANG PANDIT

RhysMichael · 5th April 2006, 12:20 AM

Dominique Buttin attibuted them to the land dyaks on his site
http://old.blades.free.fr/
I beleive most of his information comes from ""Catalogue de la Collection d'Armes Anciennes, Européennes et Orientales" " by Chales Buttin

Dajak · 5th April 2006, 06:11 AM

Hi he did that after I send him the shelford publication and pics off the
pandat because that is the same as the one pictured overhere

Micheal he might got some imformation from

Ling Roth The natives off Sarawak and British Borneo 1869

I have an sword that was an bringback by an British officer in 1820

So english where very early there before shelford make the publication more than 100 years ago before he makes the publication

VVV · 5th April 2006, 08:50 AM

Hi Ben,

I have read Ling Roth's book but I think it's very cryptic regarding his description of Dayak swords. Sometimes I suspect that he mixes up names of the swords (Nabur vs Niabor) and a lot seems to come from hearsay. So if Ling Roth is the main source I fully understand why Stone also had problems with classifying some weapons.
Another example is his description of the Dukn. A van Zonneveld obviously chooses only to quote it in his excellent book, maybe because it's hard to figure out what it really is? My guess (!) is that it's the Iban Pedang that resembles the Batak Piso Podang.
Enclosed is a page from Ling Roth on the Parang Pandit (I think?).
If that's the page then he attributes it to the Hill tribes instead of the Sea Dayaks.
I also have enclosed a nice illustration from the same book of a Pandat that resembles yours. Also note that Ling Roth attributes the Kampilan in the same illustration to the Lanun tribe.

This thread more and more looks like a discussion only between us so unless somebody else would like to participate maybe we should continue it off forum?

And I am sure that we all would like to see the 1820 bring back sword.

Michael

PS RhysMichael, Charles Buttin's Catalogue is a catalogue of his collection. I don't have it with me at the moment but I think there is only one plate in it of Indonesian weapons. I find the D Buttin site very well researched and you can find a separate reference list on the site with several good books and articles.

Dajak · 5th April 2006, 08:42 PM

I show you the sword when you visit me other wise I have nothing news for you to see.

VVV · 28th April 2009, 08:47 AM

I am reviving this old thread to share two pandat I have acquired since then.
I also hope other forumites could share there variations so we could have a nice reference thread.
The first one with unusually nice scabbard carvings.

Michael

PS I have cleaned the blade after I took the pictures...

VVV · 28th April 2009, 08:52 AM

The second one is a hybride between the long (Sidin) and short (Bennah) variation.
Also the pin on the grip is unusally long.

Michael

CharlesS · 28th April 2009, 01:19 PM

Both magnificent examples VVV. I am drooling.

What is the approximate age of each?

5th April 2006, 08:50 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, I have read Ling Roth's book but I think it's very cryptic regarding his description of Dayak swords. Sometimes I suspect that he mixes up names of the swords (Nabur vs Niabor) and a lot seems to come from hearsay. So if Ling Roth is the main source I fully understand why Stone also had problems with classifying some weapons. Another example is his description of the Dukn. A van Zonneveld obviously chooses only to quote it in his excellent book, maybe because it's hard to figure out what it really is? My guess (!) is that it's the Iban Pedang that resembles the Batak Piso Podang. Enclosed is a page from Ling Roth on the Parang Pandit (I think?). If that's the page then he attributes it to the Hill tribes instead of the Sea Dayaks. I also have enclosed a nice illustration from the same book of a Pandat that resembles yours. Also note that Ling Roth attributes the Kampilan in the same illustration to the Lanun tribe. This thread more and more looks like a discussion only between us so unless somebody else would like to participate maybe we should continue it off forum? And I am sure that we all would like to see the 1820 bring back sword. Michael PS RhysMichael, Charles Buttin's Catalogue is a catalogue of his collection. I don't have it with me at the moment but I think there is only one plate in it of Indonesian weapons. I find the D Buttin site very well researched and you can find a separate reference list on the site with several good books and articles. Attached Images

28th April 2009, 08:47 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Pandat 3 I am reviving this old thread to share two pandat I have acquired since then. I also hope other forumites could share there variations so we could have a nice reference thread. The first one with unusually nice scabbard carvings. Michael PS I have cleaned the blade after I took the pictures... Attached Images

28th April 2009, 08:52 AM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Pandat 4 The second one is a hybride between the long (Sidin) and short (Bennah) variation. Also the pin on the grip is unusally long. Michael Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 28th April 2009 at 09:03 AM.

5th April 2006, 12:20 AM	#1
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Dominique Buttin attibuted them to the land dyaks on his site http://old.blades.free.fr/ I beleive most of his information comes from ""Catalogue de la Collection d'Armes Anciennes, Européennes et Orientales" " by Chales Buttin

5th April 2006, 06:11 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi he did that after I send him the shelford publication and pics off the pandat because that is the same as the one pictured overhere Micheal he might got some imformation from Ling Roth The natives off Sarawak and British Borneo 1869 I have an sword that was an bringback by an British officer in 1820 So english where very early there before shelford make the publication more than 100 years ago before he makes the publication

5th April 2006, 08:42 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I show you the sword when you visit me other wise I have nothing news for you to see.

28th April 2009, 01:19 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Both magnificent examples VVV. I am drooling. What is the approximate age of each?