Kalis / Kris / Keris Sundang / Solot / Sulok / Suluk:

A. G. Maisey · 20th June 2018, 12:30 AM

Jose, if the people who own this little piece of culture are anything like a number of other cultures in SE Asia, just maybe this "fantastic bird" --- or whatever --- does not really refer to any sort of bird at all, it might mean, or refer to something that is completely hidden from all but the people who were entitled to hold that knowledge.

Consider the position of birds in general, and some birds in particular in the belief systems of peoples indigenous to Maritime SE Asia.

Ian · 20th June 2018, 04:58 AM

Rather than turn this thread into another sarimanok discussion, I'm going to bring Ron's original thread on that subject back and add some new information that seems to support his idea.

Ian.

Amuk Murugul · 19th July 2018, 06:43 AM

Hullo everybody!

Some examples from the Pralamba sub-group merely to share.

Kalis Baladaw Piliang PraLamba:

1.
Blade: LxOALxWxT=50x65x12.56x1.30cm.
Handle: Ivory saboeng; grip of white-metal rings w/ widjaja motif.
Wt: 760g.

2.
Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x61x10.52x1.10cm.
Handle: Ivory pommel w/ widjaja motif on white-metal grip; twin-katig.
Wt: 595g.

3.
Blade: LxOALxWxT=40.5x53.0x9.72x0.87cm.
Handle: Ivory kapoejoeh, grip w/ white-metal bands and twine.
Wt: 379g.

Best,

Ian · 19th July 2018, 03:36 PM

Amuk:

Who are the Pralamba sub-group?

Ian.

David · 20th July 2018, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Amuk:

Who are the Pralamba sub-group?

Ian, i only know Pralamba as a Hindu term.
Pralamba was an asura killed by Krishna.
I cannot see any connection to a Moro kris from that definition.

19th July 2018, 06:43 AM	#3
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Kalis Pralamba Hullo everybody! Some examples from the Pralamba sub-group merely to share. Kalis Baladaw Piliang PraLamba: 1. Blade: LxOALxWxT=50x65x12.56x1.30cm. Handle: Ivory saboeng; grip of white-metal rings w/ widjaja motif. Wt: 760g. 2. Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x61x10.52x1.10cm. Handle: Ivory pommel w/ widjaja motif on white-metal grip; twin-katig. Wt: 595g. 3. Blade: LxOALxWxT=40.5x53.0x9.72x0.87cm. Handle: Ivory kapoejoeh, grip w/ white-metal bands and twine. Wt: 379g. Best, Attached Images

20th June 2018, 12:30 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	Jose, if the people who own this little piece of culture are anything like a number of other cultures in SE Asia, just maybe this "fantastic bird" --- or whatever --- does not really refer to any sort of bird at all, it might mean, or refer to something that is completely hidden from all but the people who were entitled to hold that knowledge. Consider the position of birds in general, and some birds in particular in the belief systems of peoples indigenous to Maritime SE Asia.

20th June 2018, 04:58 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Rather than turn this thread into another sarimanok discussion, I'm going to bring Ron's original thread on that subject back and add some new information that seems to support his idea. Ian.

19th July 2018, 03:36 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Amuk: Who are the Pralamba sub-group? Ian.