Possibly the oldest hand cannon dated 1346

Marcus den toom · 9th June 2018, 03:38 PM

Right you are Nando.

I will also qoute Michael from his thread i posted the link of earlier about the mixture of Roman and Arabic numerals: "Also note a frequently employed mixture of the Latin and Arabic numerals in the early 15th century; attached is the sample of the founding inscription of the Church of the Holy Spirit (Heilig-Geist-Kirche) in Landshut, Lower Bavaria, where the founding date 1407 is composed of the Roman m for the cypher 1 while the rest is written in Arabic numerals!"

fernando · 10th June 2018, 02:54 PM

What happens if we mess with numbers, Marcus ? We find out this is no linear subject !
If we assume that the date you mention to be that in the Landshut stone is 1407, variations between Indo-Arabic numerals and the contemporary inscription must be considered; in that some digits suffered a "rotation", for a start.
The number you point out as a 7 used to be a 8, and the number 4 was earlier in the inverted position. So we may face in this case an European version of Arab numerals. On the other hand, the marriage of Roman number M with those of another origin is still a riddle ... for me, that certainly not for numerologists.

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9th June 2018, 03:38 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Right you are Nando. I will also qoute Michael from his thread i posted the link of earlier about the mixture of Roman and Arabic numerals: "Also note a frequently employed mixture of the Latin and Arabic numerals in the early 15th century; attached is the sample of the founding inscription of the Church of the Holy Spirit (Heilig-Geist-Kirche) in Landshut, Lower Bavaria, where the founding date 1407 is composed of the Roman m for the cypher 1 while the rest is written in Arabic numerals!" Attached Images

10th June 2018, 02:54 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What happens if we mess with numbers, Marcus ? We find out this is no linear subject ! If we assume that the date you mention to be that in the Landshut stone is 1407, variations between Indo-Arabic numerals and the contemporary inscription must be considered; in that some digits suffered a "rotation", for a start. The number you point out as a 7 used to be a 8, and the number 4 was earlier in the inverted position. So we may face in this case an European version of Arab numerals. On the other hand, the marriage of Roman number M with those of another origin is still a riddle ... for me, that certainly not for numerologists. . Attached Images