Please help me with translation

bj211 · 29th March 2006, 05:19 PM

Dear wolviex,

This is a beautiful piece, and to be honest, I saw it before,
This is written in Persian language, which unfortunately I can’t read.
But because it uses the same letters as Arabic, I managed to figure out one clear word in there Which is ShamShiri.

Henk · 29th March 2006, 08:05 PM

I'm very happy to see that bj211 joined the forum. Your knowledge of the arab language and your skill to identify the surrounding languages is very helpful for all of us.
Some time ago i posted pictures of a sword I picked up. The only comment was that it was a yathagan blade. Identified as a yathagan I asumed the writing on it could be ottoman. I asked somebody here in Holland who can read the old ottoman writing but she told me that she didn't recognized the writing as ottoman. She guessed the writing could be from India or Pakistan.
I attach the pictures again and I hope someone can tell me what it is and what kind of writing this is.

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 04:16 AM

dear Henk

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 04:23 AM

dear Henk

Henk · 30th March 2006, 12:44 PM

bj211,

First I wish to join into the remarks of the other members in the thread of Micheal's pedang. Your contributions to this forum gives another dimension to our hobby. I understand that the pictures are not clear enough. Besides that the blade is very pitted through rust.
I tried to write down the writing on a sheeth of paper and made two pictures of it so I gues one picture is upside down. I just coppied the writing on the paper with the sword in front of me.
Please would you be so kind to take another look at it? I would really apreciate it.

Thanks in advance, Henk

wolviex · 30th March 2006, 01:06 PM

DEAR BJ!
Many many thanks for your effort. Even small information could be helpful.
"SHAMSHIRI" - is it the same what SHAMSHIR is? Any thoughts?

All the Best!

bj211 · 30th March 2006, 03:20 PM

Dear Henk,

I took a good look at the script you wrote, and at the pictures again.
Unfortunately I couldn’t figure it out. And believe me, it took me some time to do that

It’s just not adding up. Each word or phrase is messing something.

Some times,when looking at a script, I get lucky and solve the mystery, just by figuring one word of the whole thing, and from there I work till I get it all clear.
BUT … this one!!! Not even one word…….Yet

The thing that I see clearly and don’t even have a meaning for it “yet” is this combo of letters accruing many times in the script.

I’ll show this to a friend of mine, he’s got a good eye too for stuff like this. Maybe he can see something that I don’t. if he gets it, I’ll let you know for sure.

Sorry again, I wish that I could be more helpful my friend

29th March 2006, 05:19 PM	#1
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Dear wolviex, This is a beautiful piece, and to be honest, I saw it before, This is written in Persian language, which unfortunately I can’t read. But because it uses the same letters as Arabic, I managed to figure out one clear word in there Which is ShamShiri. Attached Images

29th March 2006, 08:05 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I'm very happy to see that bj211 joined the forum. Your knowledge of the arab language and your skill to identify the surrounding languages is very helpful for all of us. Some time ago i posted pictures of a sword I picked up. The only comment was that it was a yathagan blade. Identified as a yathagan I asumed the writing on it could be ottoman. I asked somebody here in Holland who can read the old ottoman writing but she told me that she didn't recognized the writing as ottoman. She guessed the writing could be from India or Pakistan. I attach the pictures again and I hope someone can tell me what it is and what kind of writing this is. Attached Images

30th March 2006, 04:23 AM	#4
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	dear Henk Attached Images

30th March 2006, 12:44 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	bj211, First I wish to join into the remarks of the other members in the thread of Micheal's pedang. Your contributions to this forum gives another dimension to our hobby. I understand that the pictures are not clear enough. Besides that the blade is very pitted through rust. I tried to write down the writing on a sheeth of paper and made two pictures of it so I gues one picture is upside down. I just coppied the writing on the paper with the sword in front of me. Please would you be so kind to take another look at it? I would really apreciate it. Thanks in advance, Henk Attached Images

30th March 2006, 03:20 PM	#7
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	Dear Henk, I took a good look at the script you wrote, and at the pictures again. Unfortunately I couldn’t figure it out. And believe me, it took me some time to do that It’s just not adding up. Each word or phrase is messing something. Some times,when looking at a script, I get lucky and solve the mystery, just by figuring one word of the whole thing, and from there I work till I get it all clear. BUT … this one!!! Not even one word…….Yet The thing that I see clearly and don’t even have a meaning for it “yet” is this combo of letters accruing many times in the script. I’ll show this to a friend of mine, he’s got a good eye too for stuff like this. Maybe he can see something that I don’t. if he gets it, I’ll let you know for sure. Sorry again, I wish that I could be more helpful my friend Attached Images

30th March 2006, 04:16 AM	#3
bj211 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	dear Henk

30th March 2006, 01:06 PM	#6
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	DEAR BJ! Many many thanks for your effort. Even small information could be helpful. "SHAMSHIRI" - is it the same what SHAMSHIR is? Any thoughts? All the Best!