New Ivory Hilt Kris

Battara · 27th January 2018, 03:08 AM

Aslan, I agree with you that the blade is Maranao. The okir on the hilt mounts also look Maguindanao or Maranao (sometimes difficult to tell being next to each other).

Kai, sometimes Maranao scabbard wrangka tops have this older form that is similar to the Sulu versions.

Congratulations on a great piece and growing family of great kris!

My request: would you post closeups of the 3rd and 4th kris hilts please? (3rd and 4th from the top)

alexish · 27th January 2018, 03:43 AM

Dear Asian Paladin,

I have noted that all your Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilts are accompanied with straight blades.

Is this merely a coincidence, or actual trend amongst Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilted krises that they are usually accompanied with straight blades?

Aslan Paladin · 27th January 2018, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by alexish

Dear Asian Paladin,

I have noted that all your Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilts are accompanied with straight blades.

Is this merely a coincidence, or actual trend amongst Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilted krises that they are usually accompanied with straight blades?

Actually I only have one junggayan hilted kris - the one at the top but sadly the crest and the beak broke off a long time ago before it passed on to me. The 3 other ones with the large kakatua hilts are danganans. I think it's just a coincidence that all but one of the ivory-hilted kris swords I currently own are straight-bladed. But hey, I consider myself a novice collector so I couldn't say that for sure.

David · 27th January 2018, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alexish

Dear Asian Paladin,

I have noted that all your Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilts are accompanied with straight blades.

Is this merely a coincidence, or actual trend amongst Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilted krises that they are usually accompanied with straight blades?

Actually Alexish, i'd have to see better photos, but i don't think most of these ivory kakatau pommels are elongated and extravagant enough to qualify as Junggayan. To sate you query though, here is a link to a Junggayan kris that is indeed wavy.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6637

Battara · 27th January 2018, 06:51 AM

David is correct. In fact, none of these kris are junggayan. All but 2 of the above krises so far are considered danganan pommel styles (and one of these kris isn't even Moro but Malaysian).

Aslan Paladin · 27th January 2018, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Aslan, I agree with you that the blade is Maranao. The okir on the hilt mounts also look Maguindanao or Maranao (sometimes difficult to tell being next to each other).

I thought the okir was Maranao based on comparisons with other Moro antiques/vintage items that I own which are similar to products still being produced in Tugaya or Marawi

Aslan Paladin · 27th January 2018, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Congratulations on a great piece and growing family of great kris!

My request: would you post closeups of the 3rd and 4th kris hilts please? (3rd and 4th from the top)

As you wish Battara. I think both hilts have suassa, although I haven't had a jeweler test them and the sellers for both swords didn't mention it either. I posted them next to a Malay sundang with a suassa ferule (as stated by the seller) for comparison.

27th January 2018, 03:43 AM	#2
alexish Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 127	Straight Blades with Junggayan Ivory Hilts Dear Asian Paladin, I have noted that all your Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilts are accompanied with straight blades. Is this merely a coincidence, or actual trend amongst Datu-style Junggayan Ivory Hilted krises that they are usually accompanied with straight blades?

27th January 2018, 03:08 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Aslan, I agree with you that the blade is Maranao. The okir on the hilt mounts also look Maguindanao or Maranao (sometimes difficult to tell being next to each other). Kai, sometimes Maranao scabbard wrangka tops have this older form that is similar to the Sulu versions. Congratulations on a great piece and growing family of great kris! My request: would you post closeups of the 3rd and 4th kris hilts please? (3rd and 4th from the top)

27th January 2018, 06:51 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	David is correct. In fact, none of these kris are junggayan. All but 2 of the above krises so far are considered danganan pommel styles (and one of these kris isn't even Moro but Malaysian).