Morobe Province club.

Tim Simmons · 12th January 2018, 12:10 PM

Having stopped collecting and sold a great part of my collection I have just acquired this rather splendid club which I am guessing is most probably Kukukuku or more recently know as Angu people though there are other people of Morobe Province, the Angu were famous for there violent behaviour . I am showing it with one I already had, the one with the dark stone which I think is basalt. The new piece has the light brown colour stone with red and black seeds embedded around the stone. Red crabs eye seeds along with grey Job's tears seeds are used in much Papuan decoration. As you can see from my photos these are not crabs eye seeds being much larger. Do we have an ethnobotanist with us? Can you help ID the seeds? As well as the different stone used the mastic also appears to be different. In the dark stone club small teeth I suspect from Flying Fox / Fruit Bats have been set around the stone in places which I have tried to show and outlined. The thought of a blow to the face is not nice.

Sajen · 12th January 2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Red crabs eye seeds along with grey Job's tears seeds are used in much Papuan decoration. As you can see from my photos these are not crabs eye seeds being much larger.

Hello Tim,

very nice club! Congrats!! But the seeds look like "Abrus precatorius", crab eyes, are you sure they are not?

Regards,
Detlef

Tim Simmons · 12th January 2018, 10:16 PM

Detlef, compere the seeds on the club to the crabs eye seeds in the plastic box. The seeds on the club are much larger and more of a bean shape.

Sajen · 12th January 2018, 10:28 PM

Hello Tim,

it's not clearly to seen but of course you will be correct, you have it in front from you.

Sorry, in this case I can't be from help!

PS: one time collector, every time collector!

kai · 17th January 2018, 02:04 PM

Hello Tim,

I'd guess that these larger seeds are from the genus Ormosia (possibly Ormosia calavensis).
http://www.tropicos.org/Image/100233425

Regards,
Kai

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2018, 08:32 AM

Thank you Kia. That is great with luck I might be able to get some as a couple have been lost, would be nice to replace then.

kai · 18th January 2018, 12:45 PM

Hello Tim,

You'll have to search for their common name "horse-eye beans" (I guess).

There are many species (some well-known ones from tropical America and Africa). Even Asian seeds seem to vary quite a bit; it might be a good idea to ask for measurements first.

Regards,
Kai

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2018, 01:59 PM

Thanks again Kia. This link is interesting, hope to get some somehow.

http://www.pngplants.org/PNGtrees/Tr...ex_Blanco.html

kai · 18th January 2018, 02:32 PM

It's quite widespread, Tim: PNG, Indonesia, Philippines.

Regards,
Kai

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2018, 06:12 PM

Just to back up the Morobe province Kukukuku statement. Powered by the same beans.

https://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology...%2E0%2F%208826

12th January 2018, 12:10 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Morobe Province club. Having stopped collecting and sold a great part of my collection I have just acquired this rather splendid club which I am guessing is most probably Kukukuku or more recently know as Angu people though there are other people of Morobe Province, the Angu were famous for there violent behaviour . I am showing it with one I already had, the one with the dark stone which I think is basalt. The new piece has the light brown colour stone with red and black seeds embedded around the stone. Red crabs eye seeds along with grey Job's tears seeds are used in much Papuan decoration. As you can see from my photos these are not crabs eye seeds being much larger. Do we have an ethnobotanist with us? Can you help ID the seeds? As well as the different stone used the mastic also appears to be different. In the dark stone club small teeth I suspect from Flying Fox / Fruit Bats have been set around the stone in places which I have tried to show and outlined. The thought of a blow to the face is not nice. Attached Images

12th January 2018, 10:16 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Detlef, compere the seeds on the club to the crabs eye seeds in the plastic box. The seeds on the club are much larger and more of a bean shape.

12th January 2018, 10:28 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Tim, it's not clearly to seen but of course you will be correct, you have it in front from you. Sorry, in this case I can't be from help! PS: one time collector, every time collector!

17th January 2018, 02:04 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Tim, I'd guess that these larger seeds are from the genus Ormosia (possibly Ormosia calavensis). http://www.tropicos.org/Image/100233425 Regards, Kai

18th January 2018, 08:32 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Thank you Kia. That is great with luck I might be able to get some as a couple have been lost, would be nice to replace then.

18th January 2018, 12:45 PM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Tim, You'll have to search for their common name "horse-eye beans" (I guess). There are many species (some well-known ones from tropical America and Africa). Even Asian seeds seem to vary quite a bit; it might be a good idea to ask for measurements first. Regards, Kai

18th January 2018, 01:59 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Thanks again Kia. This link is interesting, hope to get some somehow. http://www.pngplants.org/PNGtrees/Tr...ex_Blanco.html

18th January 2018, 02:32 PM	#9
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	It's quite widespread, Tim: PNG, Indonesia, Philippines. Regards, Kai

18th January 2018, 06:12 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Just to back up the Morobe province Kukukuku statement. Powered by the same beans. https://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology...%2E0%2F%208826