Were S. Asian weapons designed to be used together?

ariel · 25th November 2017, 08:45 AM

And not only Italian.
Closer to the topic, see shields with built-in blades of the North-East Indian Santal tribe.
I am with Battara and Roland.

Mercenary · 25th November 2017, 01:48 PM

Now we need to take an Indian fist shield as it kept actually (not like in the picture), take a chilanum or a straight katari (the usual weapons of the Indian warriors instead of peshkabz) and get on it a nice blow of heavy sword. It will be interesting. Also we can still read the memories of British and French officers of the 18th and 19th centuries and learn what kind of weapons and in what ways were used by Indians in real battles

Mercenary · 25th November 2017, 02:19 PM

to shayde78
The most part of bichua-daggers were made for right hand. So someone needs a long time to put a bichua on his right hand then take a kutar and where he should go after? Dagger in right hand it is needed only for surprise attack or for cutting head off. Against the opponent with a sword someone needs only a sword. And shield. And dagger on his waist as a last implement. Or we are discussing the Indian ninjas instead of real history and historical weapons?

Timo Nieminen · 26th November 2017, 01:53 AM

The bichwa hilt does appear to be deliberately designed to let you keep holding the weapon while using your hand for something else. I've seen the suggestion that this would be useful for wrestling. If nothing else, I think the hilt might be good for weapon retention during wrestling.

They might be good archer's daggers, along the lines of African loop daggers: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1882

ariel · 26th November 2017, 02:33 PM

It is always possible to mix soup, salad, main course and dessert in one bowl.
Calorie-wise it will be as nutritious, but at the expense of quality of each separate dish.

This is likely why combination weapons ( sword / pistol etc) never became popular and were always made just for show.

Mercenary · 26th November 2017, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

It is always possible to mix soup, salad, main course and dessert in one bowl.
Calorie-wise it will be as nutritious, but at the expense of quality of each separate dish.

This is likely why combination weapons ( sword / pistol etc) never became popular and were always made just for show.

Ariel, I am with you.

There were combination weapons. Also it is possible to keep two or three swords or daggers in each hand and one more in each foot and in mouth. It was usefull? Historically? For this we need to study the history. Or practice very hard in circus juggling.

mariusgmioc · 26th November 2017, 09:34 PM

The combined use of more bladed weapons is well known and documented throughout history.

Just remember the famous Miyamoto Musashi who was famous for his fighting style using both the Katana in one hand and the Wakizashi in the other.

Also, there are many Chinese styles of fighting with two swords or two daggers.

Last but not least, just remember the European fighting styles with Rapier and Left Hand Dagger.

However, all these employ one single-bladed weapon in each hand.

Had the one-handed use of more bladed weapons (or a weapon with multiple blades) been of practical use, it would certainly have developed and became extensively used at some point in history. The fact that no such fighting style developed and evolved, demonstrates it has no practical use.

25th November 2017, 01:48 PM	#2
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 428	Now we need to take an Indian fist shield as it kept actually (not like in the picture), take a chilanum or a straight katari (the usual weapons of the Indian warriors instead of peshkabz) and get on it a nice blow of heavy sword. It will be interesting. Also we can still read the memories of British and French officers of the 18th and 19th centuries and learn what kind of weapons and in what ways were used by Indians in real battles Last edited by Mercenary; 25th November 2017 at 04:25 PM.

25th November 2017, 02:19 PM	#3
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 428	to shayde78 The most part of bichua-daggers were made for right hand. So someone needs a long time to put a bichua on his right hand then take a kutar and where he should go after? Dagger in right hand it is needed only for surprise attack or for cutting head off. Against the opponent with a sword someone needs only a sword. And shield. And dagger on his waist as a last implement. Or we are discussing the Indian ninjas instead of real history and historical weapons? Last edited by Mercenary; 25th November 2017 at 02:29 PM.

25th November 2017, 08:45 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And not only Italian. Closer to the topic, see shields with built-in blades of the North-East Indian Santal tribe. I am with Battara and Roland.

26th November 2017, 01:53 AM	#4
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	The bichwa hilt does appear to be deliberately designed to let you keep holding the weapon while using your hand for something else. I've seen the suggestion that this would be useful for wrestling. If nothing else, I think the hilt might be good for weapon retention during wrestling. They might be good archer's daggers, along the lines of African loop daggers: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1882

26th November 2017, 02:33 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It is always possible to mix soup, salad, main course and dessert in one bowl. Calorie-wise it will be as nutritious, but at the expense of quality of each separate dish. This is likely why combination weapons ( sword / pistol etc) never became popular and were always made just for show.

26th November 2017, 09:34 PM	#7
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	The combined use of more bladed weapons is well known and documented throughout history. Just remember the famous Miyamoto Musashi who was famous for his fighting style using both the Katana in one hand and the Wakizashi in the other. Also, there are many Chinese styles of fighting with two swords or two daggers. Last but not least, just remember the European fighting styles with Rapier and Left Hand Dagger. However, all these employ one single-bladed weapon in each hand. Had the one-handed use of more bladed weapons (or a weapon with multiple blades) been of practical use, it would certainly have developed and became extensively used at some point in history. The fact that no such fighting style developed and evolved, demonstrates it has no practical use.