Spearhead.... North African ?

katana · 21st March 2006, 04:51 PM

Thanks Luc, I like your website, so it's now in my 'favorites' in my web browser.

Wodimi · 1st April 2006, 11:44 AM

Hello Katana,

I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding.

Wolf

katana · 1st April 2006, 11:52 AM

Thanks Wolf,
I appreciate your help,I must say those spears you posted in this thread look very nice

Tim Simmons · 1st April 2006, 05:33 PM

Wolf, how similar are your all metal spears to this one. These I believe are pan-sub Saharan, coming from a huge belt across SW Sudan/Chad to Mali, with regional differences. Tim

Wodimi · 1st April 2006, 11:33 PM

nice example Tim, my spear is a little bit different in the lower part. Mine, which comes from Algeria near Tam, have not this three fixing points. May be you're right and yours is more from Chad region. I have another spear with also similar fixing points which comes from North East Nigeria.

Tim Simmons · 2nd April 2006, 10:06 AM

Hello wolf, what appears to be fixings are just decorrative brass plates added to the complete steel spear. That is a very nice blade on the other spear.

katana · 2nd April 2006, 08:40 PM

Wolf, Tim,
love the spears, haven't got any examples myself, but I'm working on it.

The Double D · 19th June 2006, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wodimi

Hello Katana,

I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding.

Wolf

I'm not sure how you are identifing the top Spear. Are you calling it Tabu?

katana · 19th June 2006, 10:02 PM

DD

I am certain Wodimi is refering to the top spear

The Double D · 19th June 2006, 10:10 PM

So we now have this spear point idnetifiede as Zande-Manbetu-Tabu?

Are these people related or from the same geographic area?

1st April 2006, 11:44 AM	#2
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	Hello Katana, I just find your spear tip question. What you have is definitely a spear tip from the Tubu living in the South East Sahara, mostly in Chad, but also in Niger and South Libya. For reference you can look in Peter Fuchs; Die Völker der Südost-Sahara; page 31. There are some similarities to Mangbetu spears, that's right, but they all have asymmetrical blades. Attached also a Tubu spear (the first from above) from my collection. This throwing spears are around 130 cm long and have at the end of the wooden shaft a small copper winding. Wolf Attached Images

1st April 2006, 05:33 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Wolf, how similar are your all metal spears to this one. These I believe are pan-sub Saharan, coming from a huge belt across SW Sudan/Chad to Mali, with regional differences. Tim Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st April 2006 at 05:45 PM.

1st April 2006, 11:33 PM	#5
Wodimi Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 75	nice example Tim, my spear is a little bit different in the lower part. Mine, which comes from Algeria near Tam, have not this three fixing points. May be you're right and yours is more from Chad region. I have another spear with also similar fixing points which comes from North East Nigeria. Attached Images

2nd April 2006, 10:06 AM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Hello wolf, what appears to be fixings are just decorrative brass plates added to the complete steel spear. That is a very nice blade on the other spear. Attached Images

21st March 2006, 04:51 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks Luc, I like your website, so it's now in my 'favorites' in my web browser.

1st April 2006, 11:52 AM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks Wolf, I appreciate your help,I must say those spears you posted in this thread look very nice

2nd April 2006, 08:40 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Wolf, Tim, love the spears, haven't got any examples myself, but I'm working on it.

19th June 2006, 10:02 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	DD I am certain Wodimi is refering to the top spear

19th June 2006, 10:10 PM	#10
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	So we now have this spear point idnetifiede as Zande-Manbetu-Tabu? Are these people related or from the same geographic area?