Sabre I.D. -Naval? -Diplomatic?

Kmaddock · 9th September 2017, 08:25 PM

To me it looks unusually perfect
I have never seen such an unindented scabard and the blade looks pristine
The brass does not look rubbed at all with the ever so crisp casting
The only part that looks to be aged are the grips. Might it not be what it seems?
I have a good few 200 year old swords and this looks like straight out of the shop to me( bar the grips)

Jon where did you get the sword? Any story

Regards

Ken

Jon MB · 9th September 2017, 08:45 PM

I got it on an auction online. Upon first close examination, I initially thought, 'fake or modern production', but then I saw the piece has been heavily cleaned, and reconsidered. The cleaner 'Brasso' appears to have been used quite a bit, lots of residue. Blade had been sanded, but appears carefully made. Some fractures in the scabbard (not shown here, I put it away for now). Some visible patina left in the pic showing the languets closeup. The sellers described it as 'early 19th C. possibly Indian'.

I still recon a mid to late 19thC. dress piece,

But certainly open to all hypotheses.

kronckew · 9th September 2017, 09:57 PM

as it can be disassembled, might be possible for a jeweler to braze the chain mount back on the pommel, easier if disassembled. glue is a no-no. i worry about threaded tangs tho. at least it's not an acorn nut!

i did manage to google a couple of similar swords, different decorations, owner thought they were english or american, hussar swords, or infantry or a naval cuttoe, they never reached a definite conclusion tho. blade length? at 27 it may be a hanger, naval or otherwise. unlikely to be cavalry tho not impossible.

so, still a puzzle...

Jon MB · 10th September 2017, 12:34 AM

Some mid-19th C. US Militia swords for comparison.

9th September 2017, 09:57 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,250	as it can be disassembled, might be possible for a jeweler to braze the chain mount back on the pommel, easier if disassembled. glue is a no-no. i worry about threaded tangs tho. at least it's not an acorn nut! i did manage to google a couple of similar swords, different decorations, owner thought they were english or american, hussar swords, or infantry or a naval cuttoe, they never reached a definite conclusion tho. blade length? at 27 it may be a hanger, naval or otherwise. unlikely to be cavalry tho not impossible. so, still a puzzle... Last edited by kronckew; 10th September 2017 at 09:24 AM.

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Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Some mid-19th C. US Militia swords for comparison. Attached Images

9th September 2017, 08:25 PM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 544	To me it looks unusually perfect I have never seen such an unindented scabard and the blade looks pristine The brass does not look rubbed at all with the ever so crisp casting The only part that looks to be aged are the grips. Might it not be what it seems? I have a good few 200 year old swords and this looks like straight out of the shop to me( bar the grips) Jon where did you get the sword? Any story Regards Ken

9th September 2017, 08:45 PM	#2
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	I got it on an auction online. Upon first close examination, I initially thought, 'fake or modern production', but then I saw the piece has been heavily cleaned, and reconsidered. The cleaner 'Brasso' appears to have been used quite a bit, lots of residue. Blade had been sanded, but appears carefully made. Some fractures in the scabbard (not shown here, I put it away for now). Some visible patina left in the pic showing the languets closeup. The sellers described it as 'early 19th C. possibly Indian'. I still recon a mid to late 19thC. dress piece, But certainly open to all hypotheses.