Ottoman type kindjal

Kubur · 20th August 2017, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OsobistGB

Thanks for the answers.

I was confident that it's an Ottoman kindjal,but only text disturbs me

I have an idea how it looks Ottoman Turkish text, but this does not seem such as?
Some time ago I had two similar

The Ottomans used different scripts, plus if your inscription is just a simple religious Arabic text then don't expect something "special"...

OsobistGB · 20th August 2017, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

The Ottomans used different scripts, plus if your inscription is just a simple religious Arabic text then don't expect something "special"...

Thank you for the answer. Earlier I had two such kindjals but I sold them. The text is in Ottoman Turkish.

OsobistGB · 16th September 2017, 10:00 PM

Today I got two interesting kindjals.It seems to me that the first one is made of a piece broken yatagan

The handle, however, is ivory

The second is also interesting.I still have no idea what exactly they are.I would be grateful for your opinion.

OsobistGB · 17th September 2017, 07:51 AM

And the last picture.

mariusgmioc · 17th September 2017, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OsobistGB

Today I got two interesting kindjals.

Kindjals?!

In my oppinion these two knives are anything but kindjals!

I think you should have opened a new thread for these two knives, as they are not related to the original topic in any way.

You are right about the first one being a remounted tip of a broken Yatagan blade.

I don't know about the second but it appears to be very crude and poor workmanship.

OsobistGB · 17th September 2017, 01:17 PM

Thank you for the reply.To really hardly define them as kindjals,but what exactly they are I do not know?

ariel · 17th September 2017, 03:48 PM

All true, but with a twist:-)
Kindjal is a Russian name for a Caucasian dagger Khanjali, which in turn is a local phonetic variant of Persian Khandjar.

We were influenced by the Russian terminology to imagine kindjals as straight double-edged daggers strictly related to the Caucasus ( or their local variants in the Ottoman areal), but paradoxically in Russia " kindjal" is ANY short-bladed weapon of military/fighting variety. Russian language does not have a special general definition for this class of weapons, as opposed to , say, English "dagger".

Thus, in Russian colloquium all the above daggers are "kindjals", just as their off-hand mentioned " kindjal koummya", " kindjal bichhwa" etc.

To make things even more confused, Russian regulation military daggers with curved blades are often called " bebut", but I have no knowledge of the origin of this word. They are often defined as " kindjal bebut".

Thus, both Marius and Osobist are correct, but from different perspectives.

The last one is probably Shibriya made from an old rasp.

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OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 95	Today I got two interesting kindjals.It seems to me that the first one is made of a piece broken yatagan The handle, however, is ivory The second is also interesting.I still have no idea what exactly they are.I would be grateful for your opinion. Attached Images Last edited by OsobistGB; 17th September 2017 at 07:48 AM.

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OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 95	And the last picture. Attached Images

17th September 2017, 03:48 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	All true, but with a twist:-) Kindjal is a Russian name for a Caucasian dagger Khanjali, which in turn is a local phonetic variant of Persian Khandjar. We were influenced by the Russian terminology to imagine kindjals as straight double-edged daggers strictly related to the Caucasus ( or their local variants in the Ottoman areal), but paradoxically in Russia " kindjal" is ANY short-bladed weapon of military/fighting variety. Russian language does not have a special general definition for this class of weapons, as opposed to , say, English "dagger". Thus, in Russian colloquium all the above daggers are "kindjals", just as their off-hand mentioned " kindjal koummya", " kindjal bichhwa" etc. To make things even more confused, Russian regulation military daggers with curved blades are often called " bebut", but I have no knowledge of the origin of this word. They are often defined as " kindjal bebut". Thus, both Marius and Osobist are correct, but from different perspectives. The last one is probably Shibriya made from an old rasp. Last edited by ariel; 17th September 2017 at 09:35 PM.

17th September 2017, 01:17 PM	#6
OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 95	Thank you for the reply.To really hardly define them as kindjals,but what exactly they are I do not know?