Karud: the weapon that did not exist:-)

ariel · 18th August 2017, 08:15 PM

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ariel · 18th August 2017, 08:18 PM

Fig.1

A. G. Maisey · 18th August 2017, 10:24 PM

Beautiful work Ariel.

Perhaps all who dabble in strange objects from faraway places, and who wish to name those objects in a more or less accurate manner, would benefit from absorbing that which you have written here.

Battara · 19th August 2017, 01:22 AM

GREAT JOB ARIEL!

Many thanks!

Ian · 19th August 2017, 01:52 AM

Excellent work, Ariel. I know this issue has been bugging you for a while and it's good to see a final declarative statement on the subject.

I agree with Alan, we can all learn something from your cautionary tale of loosely translating what we hear in a language other than our own.

Ian.

Sajen · 19th August 2017, 02:05 AM

Outstanding research Ariel!

shayde78 · 19th August 2017, 02:44 AM

Impressive.

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2017, 03:20 AM

After reading Ariel's beautiful little piece of work, I took the trouble to ring a couple of friends who are much better equipped than I am to comment on the matter of Persian pronunciation.

The first is a linguist, the second has an Iranian wife.

It seems that in Modern Iranian, and also in some other Middle Eastern languages, when the letter "r" appears in the middle of a word and it precedes "d" the "r" is pronounced with a soft roll of the tongue, not a hard roll as in Spanish, or Scots, but a soft, almost imperceptible roll and that gives the perception of another vowel in between the "r" and the "d".

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Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Nice job!!! Excellent work, Ariel. I know this issue has been bugging you for a while and it's good to see a final declarative statement on the subject. I agree with Alan, we can all learn something from your cautionary tale of loosely translating what we hear in a language other than our own. Ian.

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A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Beautiful work Ariel. Perhaps all who dabble in strange objects from faraway places, and who wish to name those objects in a more or less accurate manner, would benefit from absorbing that which you have written here.

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	GREAT JOB ARIEL! Many thanks!

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Outstanding research Ariel!

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shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Impressive.

19th August 2017, 03:20 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	After reading Ariel's beautiful little piece of work, I took the trouble to ring a couple of friends who are much better equipped than I am to comment on the matter of Persian pronunciation. The first is a linguist, the second has an Iranian wife. It seems that in Modern Iranian, and also in some other Middle Eastern languages, when the letter "r" appears in the middle of a word and it precedes "d" the "r" is pronounced with a soft roll of the tongue, not a hard roll as in Spanish, or Scots, but a soft, almost imperceptible roll and that gives the perception of another vowel in between the "r" and the "d".