Turkish shamshir ?

M.carter · 12th March 2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff D

Hi Andy,

I am not sure why you think this is largely speculation? Burton and Elgood confirm Mark's observations of these 19th c. Hungarian blades. I think it is highly likely he is correct. Other possibilities for your blade are Solingen or Caucasian, impossible for me to tell with out marks.

Jeff

Off course Jeff, Im not totally assuming its a Hungarian blade, I also said it could be a local copy, or another kind of european blade. The absence of any marks makes it difficult to any possibilities.

Andy, are you sure there are no marks here or there?

Andy Davis · 12th March 2006, 10:19 PM

There seems to be some insistance that there must be marks on this blade, so I have decided to attempt to clean it. Though it has a very deep and dark pattina, i'll just have to look and see what I can find.
I know who to blame

You say, durring this period, Syria was under Otterman rule. As I think I asked, what period are we talking about here?
Andy

M.carter · 13th March 2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Davis

There seems to be some insistance that there must be marks on this blade, so I have decided to attempt to clean it. Though it has a very deep and dark pattina, i'll just have to look and see what I can find.
I know who to blame

You say, durring this period, Syria was under Otterman rule. As I think I asked, what period are we talking about here?
Andy

As for marks, they should be visible even through the patina, just put the blade near some strong like and you should spot them, if any.

As for the period, I cant answer this. Someone more experienced like Jeff, Jim or Andrew may probably do so.

Andrew · 13th March 2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.carter

As for the period, I cant answer this. Someone more experienced like Jeff, Jim or Andrew may probably do so.

I'm only an interested spectator on things like this, Mark.

M.carter · 13th March 2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm only an interested spectator on things like this, Mark.

you just point your thumb up or down

Andy Davis · 13th March 2006, 09:46 PM

Well the blade has been cleaned on one side, sympathetically and we have no markings. Otherside may yet reveal something but I dont think they are there.
Hoping Brian will come out of hiding for an opinion

B.I · 14th March 2006, 01:53 AM

hi andy,
sorry, but have been away.
thats very flattering to ask my opinion but like andrew, i am just an interested spectator. my taste and knowledge is blinkered on india and there is nothing indian about this sword. so, i must step aside and let others of more knowledge step in whilst i watch from the sidelines.
i can humbley offer that i feel the blade is european and the pommel cap is a later addition. other than that, will happily agree with whats been said already.

12th March 2006, 10:19 PM	#2
Andy Davis Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: England, Northumberland Posts: 85	There seems to be some insistance that there must be marks on this blade, so I have decided to attempt to clean it. Though it has a very deep and dark pattina, i'll just have to look and see what I can find. I know who to blame You say, durring this period, Syria was under Otterman rule. As I think I asked, what period are we talking about here? Andy

13th March 2006, 09:46 PM	#6
Andy Davis Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: England, Northumberland Posts: 85	Well the blade has been cleaned on one side, sympathetically and we have no markings. Otherside may yet reveal something but I dont think they are there. Hoping Brian will come out of hiding for an opinion

14th March 2006, 01:53 AM	#7
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi andy, sorry, but have been away. thats very flattering to ask my opinion but like andrew, i am just an interested spectator. my taste and knowledge is blinkered on india and there is nothing indian about this sword. so, i must step aside and let others of more knowledge step in whilst i watch from the sidelines. i can humbley offer that i feel the blade is european and the pommel cap is a later addition. other than that, will happily agree with whats been said already.