An Unsusal Curved Flyssa sword

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Marius, you know that swords / daggers from certain cultures are more categorized than others. Indian swords are very categorized with many different types being given specific names. Swords / daggers from other cultures are treated differently....take yatagan for example....many different blade types, hilt types, scabbard types and yet we have no problem categorizing them as yatagan. These things tend to be on a case by case basis.

So is this sword a nimcha or a flyssa???

Of course you are right and I know myself that.

However, I am of the oppinion we must stirve to improve the current naming system by making it clearer, more consitent and more accurate.

Following this idea, I believe a sword is primarilly defined by its blade.

So, your example is a "Flyssa with a Nimcha hilt." Now, even without seeing the photo, you could be able to get a pretty good idea of what it is.

Why not a "Nimcha witha Flyssa blade?" Because, as I mentioned earlier, the blade is the most important part of a sword, and therefore, the sword should be named after the blade.

However, this remains my oppinion.

PS: You found a brilliant example!

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Following this idea, I believe a sword is primarilly defined by its blade.
and therefore, the sword should be named after the blade.
However, this remains my oppinion.

Well Marius
...a lot of members are thinking like you.
However IMHO I think the total opposite
The people who did these swords didn't care about the style of the swords
they cared about effectiveness and beauty, good blade to fight and to show off
Most of the Arab, Turkish, African and Indian swords have imported blades
Europeans and Persians
What do you think about the kaskara, tabouka, Arabian shamshirs, shashka, firangi, kattara?
Plus you have yatagans without the typical yatagan curved blades... where do you put them?

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Well Marius
...a lot of members are thinking like you.
However IMHO I think the total opposite
The people who did these swords didn't care about the style of the swords
they cared about effectiveness and beauty, good blade to fight and to show off
Most of the Arab, Turkish, African and Indian swords have imported blades
Europeans and Persians
What do you think about the kaskara, tabouka, Arabian shamshirs, shashka, firangi, kattara?
Plus you have yatagans without the typical yatagan curved blades... where do you put them?

Got your idea but I see no conflict with mine. Say Kaskara and you know exactly what it is, blade and hilt. You wouldn't think of a curved blade, right?!

Say Flyssa and you would instantly think at one from examples below, and definitely not at a curved blade sword.

When you say Yatagan, what are you thinking at?! Say if a child would ask you to draw a Yatagan. What would you draw?! A straight bladed Yatagan? I don't think so.

As with respect to the Yatagans with a straight blade, I would call them exactly: Yatagan with straight blade... but only because in this case I can not find a more accurate way to describe it.

But between black and white are a thousand shades of grey... right?!

PS: But then... if we can have a "Yatagan with straight blade" based on the same logic we can also have a "Flyssa with curved blade"... and here I am defeated by my own argument.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Say Flyssa and you would instantly think at one from examples below, and definitely not at a curved blade sword.

So how many curved blade flyssa would you have to see before you change your mind? I think that in the case of flyssa you have to treat them much like yatagan, if the maker meant it to be a flyssa then it is a flyssa.

[Kubur]

OMG

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

So how many curved blade flyssa would you have to see before you change your mind? I think that in the case of flyssa you have to treat them much like yatagan, if the maker meant it to be a flyssa then it is a flyssa.

Exactly my conclusion. I assume you missed it as it is in the PS pf my previous posting.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Exactly my conclusion. I assume you missed it as it is in the PS pf my previous posting.

Sorry about that, your right, I did not see this.

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

PS: But then... if we can have a "Yatagan with straight blade" based on the same logic we can also have a "Flyssa with curved blade"... and here I am defeated by my own argument.

[rickystl]

Hi Estcrh.

Hey! Thanks for posting my Flyssa knife in your Post #4 above. LOL
While primarily interested in the guns, every once in a while I see a blade that interests me at the moment. So I purchased it from Artzi. Shown here again with a smaller, straight blade for comparison of size.

Charles: That is a really nice looking blade. And the scabbard looks great. Nice piece.

Rick