Elegant flintlock musket

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 11:35 AM

Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768.

This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780
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fernando · 11th July 2017, 01:30 PM

Fantastic job, corrado

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Marcus den toom · 11th July 2017, 02:45 PM

Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much.
If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 02:55 PM

May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg
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Marcus den toom · 18th July 2017, 03:17 PM

Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?

corrado26 · 19th July 2017, 01:48 PM

Sorry, but I cannot see a "C", I see nothing than a J, a P and a L
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Marcus den toom · 19th July 2017, 02:24 PM

Hi Corrado,

The JPC is from a monogram on a Cabinet

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/BK-16676

It was made by Abraham Roetgen, the best furniture maker in Johann Philip his time.

Other texts concerning Johann Philipp are: "Johann Philipp von Walderdorff was more secular than his predecessors. He was a passionate hunter, loved the luxury, and presented it at his court. "

11th July 2017, 11:35 AM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768. This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780 corrado26 Attached Images

19th July 2017, 02:24 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Corrado, The JPC is from a monogram on a Cabinet https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/BK-16676 It was made by Abraham Roetgen, the best furniture maker in Johann Philip his time. Other texts concerning Johann Philipp are: "Johann Philipp von Walderdorff was more secular than his predecessors. He was a passionate hunter, loved the luxury, and presented it at his court. " Attached Images

11th July 2017, 01:30 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fantastic job, corrado .

11th July 2017, 02:45 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much. If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

11th July 2017, 02:55 PM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg corrado26

18th July 2017, 03:17 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?

19th July 2017, 01:48 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	Sorry, but I cannot see a "C", I see nothing than a J, a P and a L corrado26