Elegant flintlock musket

Marcus den toom · 10th July 2017, 08:16 PM

Hi Nando and Corrado,

Thank you for the information on the Spangenberg Family, i did a quick search for them and it seems they did more of these quality guns trough the ages.
Attached are a few pictures of the inlaid barrel. It bears a well known picture of a lamb with banner signifying the son of God.

Marcus den toom · 11th July 2017, 10:27 AM

Corrado,

Could i bother you with a request? Could you photograph the pages with information on the Spangenberg family for me and post them here or send them to me?

I am rather intrigued by the barrel mark too, i can't really make out any form.

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 11:35 AM

Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768.

This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780
corrado26

fernando · 11th July 2017, 01:30 PM

Fantastic job, corrado

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Marcus den toom · 11th July 2017, 02:45 PM

Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much.
If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 02:55 PM

May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg
corrado26

Marcus den toom · 18th July 2017, 03:17 PM

Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?

10th July 2017, 08:16 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Nando and Corrado, Thank you for the information on the Spangenberg Family, i did a quick search for them and it seems they did more of these quality guns trough the ages. Attached are a few pictures of the inlaid barrel. It bears a well known picture of a lamb with banner signifying the son of God. Attached Images

11th July 2017, 11:35 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	Here come the wanted pages. But far more interesting and not mentionned by you is the monogram on top of the barrel. It is to be red "JP" and probably stands for JOHANN PHILIPP von WALDERDORFF, bishop of the bishopric of Trier in the years between 1756 to 1768. This date helps very much in identifying the gunmaker: The only G.Spangenberg under the reign of this bishop has been GOTTFRIED SPANGENBERG, working at Suhl between 1739 and 1780 corrado26 Attached Images

11th July 2017, 10:27 AM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Corrado, Could i bother you with a request? Could you photograph the pages with information on the Spangenberg family for me and post them here or send them to me? I am rather intrigued by the barrel mark too, i can't really make out any form.

11th July 2017, 01:30 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fantastic job, corrado .

11th July 2017, 02:45 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much. If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

11th July 2017, 02:55 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg corrado26

18th July 2017, 03:17 PM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?