Koummiya for comments

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th June 2017, 08:15 PM

This Koummya is :20th Century Morocco - Ait Ouaouzghit region, Southwest Atlas. Very little wear is apparent though I agree it looks old..

motan · 30th June 2017, 11:23 PM

Hello,
Thanks Jim and Ibrahiim for posting some top quality examples.
It seems that this thread is at its end and therefore, I thank everybody who paticipated and summarize what I have learned from and because of it.
- Koummyas originated around the early 19th century. There are several "classical", more or less well defined types described in the literature
- There are also mixed styles and later developments that makes the identification more difficult, like the one in the last picture, which is a mix of the "Queue de Paon" and Chapeau de Gendarme" types. The are also lower quality, but authentic "village" types and "modern" production pieces with both original and fantasy motives
- The better Koummyas demonstrate Morocco's fine and characteristic tradition of silver decoration and crafts in general
- The more I read what you wrote and the more Koummyas I looked up because of this thread, the more I valued the one I have and therefore I decided to keep it. Eytan

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st July 2017, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motan

Hello,
Thanks Jim and Ibrahiim for posting some top quality examples.
It seems that this thread is at its end and therefore, I thank everybody who paticipated and summarize what I have learned from and because of it.
- Koummyas originated around the early 19th century. There are several "classical", more or less well defined types described in the literature
- There are also mixed styles and later developments that makes the identification more difficult, like the one in the last picture, which is a mix of the "Queue de Paon" and Chapeau de Gendarme" types. The are also lower quality, but authentic "village" types and "modern" production pieces with both original and fantasy motives
- The better Koummyas demonstrate Morocco's fine and characteristic tradition of silver decoration and crafts in general
- The more I read what you wrote and the more Koummyas I looked up because of this thread, the more I valued the one I have and therefore I decided to keep it. Eytan

I am never sure threads actually ever end per se since Library stores these details so that somewhere in the future some bright student of Ethnographic Arms n' Armour will follow up and solve some of the mysteries we have outlined... From my point of view this is all a learning curve for which the excellent pictures and details you have provided will inspire someone later...

I think the last picture I posted is as you note Queue de Paon with the typical peacock tail pommel but not quite the Gendarmes Chapeau...Nice to hear you are keeping your Khoummya !

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

motan · 1st July 2017, 07:23 AM

Hi Ibrahiim, of course you are right. Sometimes people write posts to threads that have been dormant for months.
The reason I brought in the Chapeau de Gendarme in connection to the dagger you posted is that the pyramid-like studs on the scabbard are originally an element from that type.

BANDOOK · 2nd July 2017, 11:54 AM

FEW FROM MY COLLECTION
REGARDS RAJESH

motan · 2nd July 2017, 12:51 PM

Hi Rajesh,
Nice, thanks for posting.
You probably noticed that I posted a picture of a dagger with brass hilt and leather spacers in this thread, very similar to the one you have and we dicussed it before. I bought one now and I am happy with it.
Greetings

BANDOOK · 4th July 2017, 02:12 AM

Hi Eytan,Thanks
Yes The Dagger You Posted is like the one I have,Am happy you found a good example for your collection as you have the best knowledge about the shibriya daggers from the Golan heights and other small villages .

BANDOOK · 4th July 2017, 02:39 AM

Hi Eytan,Thanks
Yes The Dagger You Posted is like the one I have,Am happy you found a good example for your collection as you have the best knowledge about the shibriya daggers from the Golan heights and other small villages .

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 5th July 2017, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

FEW FROM MY COLLECTION
REGARDS RAJESH

Very useful examples Bandook .. helping to make this thread a key player in the fine detail contained at Forum Library... Thanks.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

BANDOOK · 11th July 2017, 04:08 AM

Always Welcome Ibrahiim,My Pleasure,cheers

29th June 2017, 08:15 PM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This Koummya is :20th Century Morocco - Ait Ouaouzghit region, Southwest Atlas. Very little wear is apparent though I agree it looks old.. Attached Images

2nd July 2017, 11:54 AM	#5
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	HI EYTAN FEW FROM MY COLLECTION REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images

4th July 2017, 02:12 AM	#7
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	Hi Eytan,Thanks Yes The Dagger You Posted is like the one I have,Am happy you found a good example for your collection as you have the best knowledge about the shibriya daggers from the Golan heights and other small villages . Attached Images

30th June 2017, 11:23 PM	#2
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hello, Thanks Jim and Ibrahiim for posting some top quality examples. It seems that this thread is at its end and therefore, I thank everybody who paticipated and summarize what I have learned from and because of it. - Koummyas originated around the early 19th century. There are several "classical", more or less well defined types described in the literature - There are also mixed styles and later developments that makes the identification more difficult, like the one in the last picture, which is a mix of the "Queue de Paon" and Chapeau de Gendarme" types. The are also lower quality, but authentic "village" types and "modern" production pieces with both original and fantasy motives - The better Koummyas demonstrate Morocco's fine and characteristic tradition of silver decoration and crafts in general - The more I read what you wrote and the more Koummyas I looked up because of this thread, the more I valued the one I have and therefore I decided to keep it. Eytan

1st July 2017, 07:23 AM	#4
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Ibrahiim, of course you are right. Sometimes people write posts to threads that have been dormant for months. The reason I brought in the Chapeau de Gendarme in connection to the dagger you posted is that the pyramid-like studs on the scabbard are originally an element from that type.

2nd July 2017, 12:51 PM	#6
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Rajesh, Nice, thanks for posting. You probably noticed that I posted a picture of a dagger with brass hilt and leather spacers in this thread, very similar to the one you have and we dicussed it before. I bought one now and I am happy with it. Greetings

4th July 2017, 02:39 AM	#8
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	Hi Eytan,Thanks Yes The Dagger You Posted is like the one I have,Am happy you found a good example for your collection as you have the best knowledge about the shibriya daggers from the Golan heights and other small villages .

11th July 2017, 04:08 AM	#10
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	Always Welcome Ibrahiim,My Pleasure,cheers