Two daggers for comment

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ferguson

The one with the dark handle looks a bit like my Bukharan kard as shown in this thread
A karud

Steve

Ferguson, how did your karud dagger suddenly become a "kard"? It is another "karud" as you correctly identified it in your post, a nice example.

[estcrh]

Ferguson. when you compare both of these karud daggers there is a distinct difference. I think the top one is Afghan while yours appears to be a Bukharan karud dagger.

[Ferguson]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Ferguson, how did your karud dagger suddenly become a "kard"? It is another "karud" as you correctly identified it in your post, a nice example.

It suddenly became a kard when I read Ariels post above that said Karud was an incorrect term. I'm just a collector, not a scholar, and was trying to be as correct as possible.

Sorry,
Steve

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ferguson

It suddenly became a kard when I read Ariels post above that said Karud was an incorrect term. I'm just a collector, not a scholar, and was trying to be as correct as possible.

Sorry,
Steve

Ok, I understand, which is exactly why I took the time to answer Ariels post. Pesh-kabz, karud and kard are all very distinct types, yes some blur the lines but for the most part you can easily tell them apart. Your karud is a karud and not a kard.

Now some people have tried to imply that certain names for swords and daggers etc are not correct according to the native language from were they originated. This may be true but the names now applied in OUR times are an attempt to categorize very recognizable types, no one I know has implied that all of the names are culturally correct.

If someone wants to call a karud a "cow" instead so be it, but the fact remains that it will still not be a pesh or kard. Below is an example from Artzi.

[Jens Nordlunde]

Dont worry Ferguson - please go on smiling:-)
Jens

[A. G. Maisey]

These sharp pointy things are totally outside my area of study, but I really do love discussions such as the one beginning to take place here.

Thank you gentlemen.

Here is a very entertaining discussion that proceeds along a similar path:-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kard

Delightful!

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

These sharp pointy things are totally outside my area of study, but I really do love discussions such as the one beginning to take place here.

Thank you gentlemen.

Here is a very entertaining discussion that proceeds along a similar path:-

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kard

Delightful!

A.J., the usual suspects, arguing us back to the good old dark ages were anything could be called a jambiya, kard, pesh, khanjar etc without any clear defining method to the madness.

[estcrh]

Pesh-kabz on the left, karud dagger on the right, does anyone really think these are all the same despite the total difference in blades?

Left from top down, Pesh-kabz: Persian, Afghan, Afghan. Right from top down, Karud: Afghan, Afghan, Afghan (choora type).