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I've been told this parrying dagger is German and dates from the late 16th century. Does anyone recognize the mark?
15 1/2 ounces 16 3/16 inches long overall 5 5/8 inches wide overall 2 1/16 inches tall overall Blade Length 10 7/8 inches Blade Width 1 1/16 inches at the guard Photo (c) 2017 by Dana K. Williams |
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I think this attribution is pretty much spot on, and this curious mark seems to ring so familiar, yet despite its simplicity it is a tough one to find.
In Wallace Coll. (Mann, 1962, p.371, A728; A729) there are two German 'rondel' daggers described as German first half 16th c. The marks appearing on both have heavier versions of this dual arcs joined by vertical line mark, stated a makers mark but no identification given. There are apparently others with the same mark in various museum holdings. The closest thing to this simple device found among makers marks would be that of Johannes Kohl the Elder (1580-1620), which has the arcs, vertical line but with a transverse line bisecting the vertical one (Kinman, p.47). This is one of this family marks, but seems to fall into the probable period of this left hand dagger. These, while falling out of use elsewhere, were becoming more well known en suite with rapiers in Spain and Italy. Until more precise identification of the mark is found, it seems plausible it may be a variation of these German marks of unidentified maker in mid 16th c. , perhaps adopted in variation by Kohl (he later used a majuscule K or a crucifix. On the other hand, uh, the 'left' ![]() |
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There is a Left-Hand Dagger which somewhat resembles mine in Peter Finer's 2002 catalog, item #33. The decoration style is attributed to the Munich School of iron-chisellers. see attached images.
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Victoria and Albert Museum, number: M.64-1950
*** Sword with a chiselled steel hilt, blued against a gilt ground, by Daniel or Emanuel Sadeler, Prague or Munich, the blade signed ‘Alonso Perez en Toledo’, 1600-20. (Sword) Steel, chiselled, blued and gilt. The chiselling of the hilt is based on designs by Delaune. *** http://www.vam.ac.uk/blog/engraved-o...enne-delaune-1 |
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Dana, VERY, VERY NICELY DONE!!!
As noted, my speculation was plausible, but your research has I think nailed this spot on. Still puzzled by the mark though. Thank you for sharing this and all the info....my notes adjusted accordingly. All the best Jim |
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Thanks, Jim. Here are a few more links which others might find helpful.
Parrying Daggers and Poniards, by Leonid Tarassuk, The Metropolitan Museum of Art: http://www.metmuseum.org/pubs/journa...f.bannered.pdf Munich School Of Iron-Chisellers: See: Peter Finer's 2002 Catalog Item 33 See: American Society Of Arms Collectors GUNS OF THE MUNICH COURT WORKSHOP AND OTHER GERMAN WHEELLOCK GUNS OF THE PERIOD by Charles S. Hendricks http://americansocietyofarmscollecto..._Hendricks.pdf Mannerist Pattern-Books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mannerism Etienne Delaune: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Delaune |
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Dana, thank you for your links and your photos.
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