Greek flintlock rifles

Kubur · 4th June 2017, 05:30 PM

Hi Stelio,

As always your collection is just so amazing!

Question:

a kariofìlı is a Greek rasak?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=rasak
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=rasak

The two guns are similiar the only difference is the lock, the Greeks used the European flintlock and the Albanians used the Ottoman miquelet lock...
Am I right or wrong?

Kubur

stelio · 4th June 2017, 06:58 PM

Hello Kubur
Thank you very much for your good words my friend. I would say it is the same type rifle and only the name of the area changes.
The mechanism is often the same in both of us but in most Greek we find the European type mechanism.
The differences are clear in the designs and the decoration in weapons.Depending on the size and some small differences in the design, Greek rasak have different names.

Stelios

fernando · 4th June 2017, 07:29 PM

Very nice guns, stelio

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stelio · 4th June 2017, 08:05 PM

Thank you Fernando ☺

kahnjar1 · 4th June 2017, 08:23 PM

Hi Stelio,
I agree with other comments above. VERY nice guns.
Stu

stelio · 4th June 2017, 09:16 PM

Thank you Stu!!!☺

rickystl · 4th June 2017, 09:34 PM

Hi Stelio.

YES!! Those are VERY nice Greek long guns. And appear in great condition.
My understanding is the only difference between the terms Kariofili and Rasak was depending on the Region of Greece you were standing in at the moment. Am I wrong ?

A question: Does the top gun actually have a BRASS lockplate ? Or is it brass covered ?

The Greeks did seem to prefer the traditional flintlock over the miquelet lock. And most I've seen do seem to confirm this. Although I have seen a few with the tradional Balkan style miquelet lock heavily favored on Albanian guns. The first Link posted by Kubur above shows a Greek long gun with a Bulgarian style miquelet lock (also Balkan made). Interesting. That's the only one I've seen using that lock pattern.

I still need one of these Greek long guns (and a pistol also) for my collection. They seem to evade me when they come up for sale.

But I'll eventually secure one.

Again, great looking guns Stelio.

Rick

stelio · 5th June 2017, 12:22 AM

Hello Rick and thank you! I hope you quickly get one in your collection my friend.
The word, however, that was throughout the Greek territory was a carriophile/ kariofili (καριοφίλι) and all the rest were just to stand out as I said above all the small things that they had to build each one.Rasak would say it was the word used in northern Balkans and not to Greece. Most Greek weapons bring European flintlocks but also a miqulete mechanism.
I think a special example of balkan rasak is the Bulgarian that type rasak with Bulgarian muqulet lock is very rare.
You are right, the first one has the bronze plate as well as the point that receives the powder.

stelios

4th June 2017, 06:58 PM	#2
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hello Kubur Thank you very much for your good words my friend. I would say it is the same type rifle and only the name of the area changes. The mechanism is often the same in both of us but in most Greek we find the European type mechanism. The differences are clear in the designs and the decoration in weapons.Depending on the size and some small differences in the design, Greek rasak have different names. Stelios Attached Images Last edited by stelio; 5th June 2017 at 01:03 AM.

4th June 2017, 05:30 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Stelio, As always your collection is just so amazing! Question: a kariofìlı is a Greek rasak? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=rasak http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=rasak The two guns are similiar the only difference is the lock, the Greeks used the European flintlock and the Albanians used the Ottoman miquelet lock... Am I right or wrong? Kubur

4th June 2017, 07:29 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice guns, stelio .

4th June 2017, 08:05 PM	#4
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Thank you Fernando ☺

4th June 2017, 08:23 PM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	Hi Stelio, I agree with other comments above. VERY nice guns. Stu

4th June 2017, 09:16 PM	#6
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Thank you Stu!!!☺

4th June 2017, 09:34 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Stelio. YES!! Those are VERY nice Greek long guns. And appear in great condition. My understanding is the only difference between the terms Kariofili and Rasak was depending on the Region of Greece you were standing in at the moment. Am I wrong ? A question: Does the top gun actually have a BRASS lockplate ? Or is it brass covered ? The Greeks did seem to prefer the traditional flintlock over the miquelet lock. And most I've seen do seem to confirm this. Although I have seen a few with the tradional Balkan style miquelet lock heavily favored on Albanian guns. The first Link posted by Kubur above shows a Greek long gun with a Bulgarian style miquelet lock (also Balkan made). Interesting. That's the only one I've seen using that lock pattern. I still need one of these Greek long guns (and a pistol also) for my collection. They seem to evade me when they come up for sale. But I'll eventually secure one. Again, great looking guns Stelio. Rick

5th June 2017, 12:22 AM	#8
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hello Rick and thank you! I hope you quickly get one in your collection my friend. The word, however, that was throughout the Greek territory was a carriophile/ kariofili (καριοφίλι) and all the rest were just to stand out as I said above all the small things that they had to build each one.Rasak would say it was the word used in northern Balkans and not to Greece. Most Greek weapons bring European flintlocks but also a miqulete mechanism. I think a special example of balkan rasak is the Bulgarian that type rasak with Bulgarian muqulet lock is very rare. You are right, the first one has the bronze plate as well as the point that receives the powder. stelios