A Beautiful Mid-14th Century Handgonne

fernando · 23rd May 2017, 11:51 AM

A gun with a similar profile may be seen in Prestige de lármurerie Portugaise, an exhibition held at Musee d´Armes de Liege, in 1991.
It belongs (or belonged) in the collection of Rainer Daehnhardt and is said to have been excavated in the field of the battle of Aljubarrota, which took place in 1385. We know that this is a very early date and a Portuguese specialist doesn't agree that small artillery was used in this battle by Portuguese, also there is a chronicler of the period (Fernão Lopes) who describes how the Spanish side used a number of 16 heavy bombards (trons). Mr. Daehnhardt pretends that, for the same logic, nothing rejects that small hand cannons were used by the Portuguese side.

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Marcus den toom · 23rd May 2017, 03:55 PM

Spiridonov, i think Michael dealt with this example as well.. bexause these two are one and the same cannon. More over, they are the sad remains of two hand cannons forced into eachother.
The hole where the small " hook" was positioned used to be the touchhole of the second cannon... if you where to request pictures from the inside of the bore you would see the cruel operation... sad

Marcus den toom · 23rd May 2017, 04:25 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=joker

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fernando · 23rd May 2017, 07:32 PM

Good shot in showing that both present example posted by Alexander and previous one posted by Matchlock are the same, Marcus.
However you are not saying that the one i posted in #29 is also a setup, are you ?

Marcus den toom · 23rd May 2017, 08:06 PM

Hi Nando,

I am not sure about the barrel you posted either... it seems strange to use two different methods of cannon building in the same cannon. Beeing wound iron (round part) band and wrought iron (octagonal part).
The wound iron band cannon of Aljubarrota type (and even more possible, it might be one of them!!!) would have been good for the late 14 th century while the octagonal style came more into beeing after the 1400s...
Difficult to say anything definitive without more pictures.. but i would not relate the noble Portugeuse name to quick to this piece (or half of it)

23rd May 2017, 11:51 AM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A gun with a similar profile may be seen in Prestige de lármurerie Portugaise, an exhibition held at Musee d´Armes de Liege, in 1991. It belongs (or belonged) in the collection of Rainer Daehnhardt and is said to have been excavated in the field of the battle of Aljubarrota, which took place in 1385. We know that this is a very early date and a Portuguese specialist doesn't agree that small artillery was used in this battle by Portuguese, also there is a chronicler of the period (Fernão Lopes) who describes how the Spanish side used a number of 16 heavy bombards (trons). Mr. Daehnhardt pretends that, for the same logic, nothing rejects that small hand cannons were used by the Portuguese side. . Attached Images

23rd May 2017, 03:55 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Spiridonov, i think Michael dealt with this example as well.. bexause these two are one and the same cannon. More over, they are the sad remains of two hand cannons forced into eachother. The hole where the small " hook" was positioned used to be the touchhole of the second cannon... if you where to request pictures from the inside of the bore you would see the cruel operation... sad

23rd May 2017, 04:25 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=joker Post 57

23rd May 2017, 07:32 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good shot in showing that both present example posted by Alexander and previous one posted by Matchlock are the same, Marcus. However you are not saying that the one i posted in #29 is also a setup, are you ?

23rd May 2017, 08:06 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Hi Nando, I am not sure about the barrel you posted either... it seems strange to use two different methods of cannon building in the same cannon. Beeing wound iron (round part) band and wrought iron (octagonal part). The wound iron band cannon of Aljubarrota type (and even more possible, it might be one of them!!!) would have been good for the late 14 th century while the octagonal style came more into beeing after the 1400s... Difficult to say anything definitive without more pictures.. but i would not relate the noble Portugeuse name to quick to this piece (or half of it)