Islamic Text Found in a swordhandle

Ian · 6th March 2006, 11:50 PM

Dajak:

I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin.

I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin.

Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade?

Ian.

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 12:02 AM

Hi this is an copy from the original

the original is very thin

The scabbard was on it when it entered the Netherlands in 1850

Raja Muda · 7th March 2006, 01:27 AM

The text is a bit small but from what I can see, I'm assuming the papers are actually what is known in the Malay archipelago cultures as Tangkal, a form of talisman. Maybe if you can enlarge the scans a little bit, or perhaps just one of them we can read a bit more.

John · 7th March 2006, 03:30 AM

Raja Muda is right about the papers being a form of talisman, also known as azimat or zimat. I see a familiar pattern or two and such azimats are common with some of the Bugis I know.

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 06:05 AM

here a pics from the original papers you can see how big it was in the little cloth bag

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 06:07 AM

Original paper

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 06:15 AM

Hi here are pics off the blade

Cerjak · 16th December 2012, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

here a pics from the original papers you can see how big it was in the little cloth bag

Hi Dajak

I' ve just read your thread and I found a similar azimat on the stock from my blunderbuss .(Khatimus Sulaiman)
see my thread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...656#post149656

Regards

Cerjak

7th March 2006, 01:27 AM	#3
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Talismanic Papers The text is a bit small but from what I can see, I'm assuming the papers are actually what is known in the Malay archipelago cultures as Tangkal, a form of talisman. Maybe if you can enlarge the scans a little bit, or perhaps just one of them we can read a bit more.

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	here a pics from the original papers you can see how big it was in the little cloth bag Attached Images

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Original paper Attached Images

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Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi here are pics off the blade Attached Images

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Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Dajak: I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin. I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin. Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade? Ian.

7th March 2006, 12:02 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi this is an copy from the original the original is very thin The scabbard was on it when it entered the Netherlands in 1850

7th March 2006, 03:30 AM	#4
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	Raja Muda is right about the papers being a form of talisman, also known as azimat or zimat. I see a familiar pattern or two and such azimats are common with some of the Bugis I know.