Islamic Text Found in a swordhandle

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 01:12 PM

on the scabbard

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 07:07 PM

No one any idee ?????

LabanTayo · 6th March 2006, 08:13 PM

what kind of sword did this come from?
was the paper inside the sword handle?

Dajak · 6th March 2006, 10:56 PM

Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850
the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was
put inside the handprotector

the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700

Ian · 6th March 2006, 11:50 PM

Dajak:

I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin.

I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin.

Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade?

Ian.

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 12:02 AM

Hi this is an copy from the original

the original is very thin

The scabbard was on it when it entered the Netherlands in 1850

Raja Muda · 7th March 2006, 01:27 AM

The text is a bit small but from what I can see, I'm assuming the papers are actually what is known in the Malay archipelago cultures as Tangkal, a form of talisman. Maybe if you can enlarge the scans a little bit, or perhaps just one of them we can read a bit more.

RhysMichael · 7th March 2006, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850
the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was
put inside the handprotector

the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700

Dajak that is a wonderful example of a peudeueng peusangan with a hulu meu apet. I have never seen a better one and only 2 as nice. I know of 2 of these for sale now ( at least they were available the other week ) but both are priced beyond a firefighters salary. One that is also a royal sword is listed as Indian and I cannnot convince the seller otherwise. Congratulations and thanks for sharing. May I use a picture of it and the talisman in the article on these swords you saw referenced.

Raja Muda,Alam Shah and John I did not know that there were talismans in these swords ( Tangkal, azimat or zimat). Are these similar to anting in Philippine swords ? If you have any other information please let me know to add it to the article. Thanks in advance

Ariel and Andrew thanks for the kind words on the article. But in truth it is mostly information pulled together from members here. With a little thrown in from other texts. So Ariel you and the others here really deserve more credit for it than I do. I will try to have it updated with this information before I go to Timonium

Dajak · 7th March 2006, 06:35 PM

Hi John no problem to use it if you need better pics or anything just ask

Is the artical from you

I know the grand daugther from genaral van Daalen she was on Sumatra visiting the museum overthere and get a map with copys from the museum overthere pic enclosed

The sword comes from an very old collection from a famous collector that is not more with us but is known over the world

here some other Atjeh weapons

RhysMichael · 8th March 2006, 12:16 AM

Yes I pulled together the information on the article. I must say the pictures here and the ones you e-mailed me show an impressive collection of aceh( atjeh) swords and shields. They are fairly uncommon in the US so difficult to find. I have been told by dealers in England that they also do not see many of the peudeueng peusangan with either handle style.

6th March 2006, 01:12 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	on the scabbard Attached Images

6th March 2006, 10:56 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi it is a peduang from sumatra that has enter the Netherlands in 1850 the papers was hidden in a bag made from cloth that was put inside the handprotector the story about this sword is that it was used bij a high placed men that was very close to the sultan off Atjeh between 1650 and 1700 Attached Images

7th March 2006, 01:27 AM	#7
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Talismanic Papers The text is a bit small but from what I can see, I'm assuming the papers are actually what is known in the Malay archipelago cultures as Tangkal, a form of talisman. Maybe if you can enlarge the scans a little bit, or perhaps just one of them we can read a bit more.

7th March 2006, 06:35 PM	#9
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi John no problem to use it if you need better pics or anything just ask Is the artical from you I know the grand daugther from genaral van Daalen she was on Sumatra visiting the museum overthere and get a map with copys from the museum overthere pic enclosed The sword comes from an very old collection from a famous collector that is not more with us but is known over the world here some other Atjeh weapons Attached Images Last edited by Dajak; 7th March 2006 at 06:59 PM.

6th March 2006, 07:07 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	No one any idee ?????

6th March 2006, 08:13 PM	#3
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	what kind of sword did this come from? was the paper inside the sword handle?

6th March 2006, 11:50 PM	#5
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Dajak: I can't help you with the Arabic translation, but I'm looking at that scabbard and it appears to be a late 19th C or early 20th C piece, perhaps modeled on the Dutch military klewang scabbard of that period. Certainly not original to the sword, if the sword is 17-18th C. in origin. I'm also skeptical about the paper and writing being as old as the sword is purported to be. Given the way it was stored, its appearance is remarkably pristine and well preserved. An analysis of the paper and ink could reveal a recent origin. Nonetheless, a very nice hilt. Any chance we could see the blade? Ian.

7th March 2006, 12:02 AM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi this is an copy from the original the original is very thin The scabbard was on it when it entered the Netherlands in 1850

8th March 2006, 12:16 AM	#10
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Yes I pulled together the information on the article. I must say the pictures here and the ones you e-mailed me show an impressive collection of aceh( atjeh) swords and shields. They are fairly uncommon in the US so difficult to find. I have been told by dealers in England that they also do not see many of the peudeueng peusangan with either handle style.