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confusion with the pictures:
the second is the first ( & vice-versa !) |
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Very hard to say from the photos you posted.
The koftgary is definitely recent but the dagger can be older... much older. It is a rather frequent practice to apply koftgari on antique but otherwise mundane knives to make them more saleable. But then again, this looks to be genuine koftgari, and well made. So I don't think being recent makes it less genuine/valuable. Other than that, the example looks good and made in the traditional way. The chiseld blade is almost unseen in recent production. So I don't think it is a fake. Early 20th century seems plausible to me albeit the blade can be significanly older. ![]() Would definitely like it for my collection. The recent scabbard has absolutely no relevance for assesing the blade but it is a nice extra. PS: I managed to download and open the pdf file. Now that appears to be a recent dagger with a pattern welded and NOT WOOTZ blade. So, if the seller lies about this, ho much can you trust the rest? But then maybe I am wrong ... ![]() Last edited by mariusgmioc; 24th April 2017 at 07:46 PM. |
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Hello Marius,
thank you, I'll look about what you call ''pattern welded'' here another picture given by the seller of the ''pdf'' dagger- chilanum, the hilt was complete on this picture but now it's damaged a little, that's why the seller makes a low price. Do you think it's not a bone hilt ? Maybe Ivory or plastic ? ? !!!!! .... |
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If those pictures are all you have to go by; speaking for myself I would pass.
![]() About the broken tip of the knucklebow; I thought those were generally made of steel, in which case it would be quite a hard thing to break. Is there a return guarantee? |
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Be cautious here. Can you handle these or are they being sold to you via the pictures? I would not buy them myself if only the pictures are available.
Ian. |
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It is as Rick said.
The knucklebow is supposed to serve as a protection for the fingers they are normally made of steel in one piece with th cross-guard and the hilt. Whether bone or plastic, the second one is fake. |
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Ok thanks all,
For the ''bone'' hilt kanjar-chilanum, I was comparing with old ''precious'' items with jade, ivory hilt... But indeed never saw a chilanum hilt model not made of steel or metal. I'll look for return guarantee cause I can't handle it ! |
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