Badik from Java??

mariusgmioc · 11th March 2017, 06:33 PM

And you are surprised by this?!
I've seen in several reputed museums some geographical alocations that would surprise you even more (like a wootz Indian Tulwar atributed to Libya or a Javanes Kris atributed to India).

So, don't give too much weight to the inscription and remember it was written by a person who may have had absolutely no knowledge about the item.

PS: And maybe Mr. Pinson bought it in a flea market in Zanzibar and concluded it must belong to the place.

A. G. Maisey · 11th March 2017, 08:27 PM

Yes, Jawa.

Sajen · 11th March 2017, 09:31 PM

The white ring in down from the scabbard will be bone or buckhorn (deer/tanduk), not blonde horn, hope it's clear what I mean.
Blade is somewhat overpolished and would benefit by a new warangan. It will be a pamor (laminated) blade I guess. Typical Jawa badik. It's not the first time that I see very old wrong descriptions.

Regards,
Detlef

Athanase · 11th March 2017, 11:02 PM

Thank you all for your comments.

The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor.
For the blonde horn I spoke of the upper part of the scabbard (left on the last picture). It's translucent to light. The white ring next to the black tip is indeed bone.

Sajen · 12th March 2017, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athanase

The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor.

I've never seen antique badiks without pamor blade!

Athanase · 12th March 2017, 02:50 PM

I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.

Sajen · 12th March 2017, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athanase

I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.

Maybe both blades need a new warangan!

11th March 2017, 06:33 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	And you are surprised by this?! I've seen in several reputed museums some geographical alocations that would surprise you even more (like a wootz Indian Tulwar atributed to Libya or a Javanes Kris atributed to India). So, don't give too much weight to the inscription and remember it was written by a person who may have had absolutely no knowledge about the item. PS: And maybe Mr. Pinson bought it in a flea market in Zanzibar and concluded it must belong to the place.

11th March 2017, 08:27 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yes, Jawa.

11th March 2017, 09:31 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,309	The white ring in down from the scabbard will be bone or buckhorn (deer/tanduk), not blonde horn, hope it's clear what I mean. Blade is somewhat overpolished and would benefit by a new warangan. It will be a pamor (laminated) blade I guess. Typical Jawa badik. It's not the first time that I see very old wrong descriptions. Regards, Detlef

11th March 2017, 11:02 PM	#4
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Thank you all for your comments. The blade looks laminated, but I don't think it's a real pamor. For the blonde horn I spoke of the upper part of the scabbard (left on the last picture). It's translucent to light. The white ring next to the black tip is indeed bone.

12th March 2017, 02:50 PM	#6
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	I have another Javanese badik, (almost the same but smaller) with the same problem for the blade. I think to guess a laminated steel, but it has been so polished and sharpened that it's impossible to detect a pamor.