"Big" Est Java Keris?

A. G. Maisey · 3rd March 2017, 04:07 AM

Thanks for filling that in Donny.

I was given it by a relative who was living in Sumenep in the 1980's, he took me out to a place near the port and showed me a place where he reckoned they landed.

Its a good story, some of it might even be true.

Jean · 3rd March 2017, 11:12 AM

A similar blade and a similar scabbard as those shown by Athanase.
Regards

Athanase · 5th March 2017, 02:47 PM

Thank you all for your valuable information.

I have a little question :
With the bondolan hilt, I keep the Javanese mendak or not?

Jean · 5th March 2017, 04:39 PM

No, with a bondolan hilt you should better fit a Balinese uwer (ring) IMO.
Regards

David · 5th March 2017, 05:45 PM

Athanase, the bondalan style hilt that you should be looking for is not the typical Balinese style. The Maduran form is a bit wide, sqautter, stockier if you will. This style is discussed a little bit on this thread as well as what may or may not be an appropriate mendak for such a hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=bondalan

Athanase · 6th March 2017, 02:14 PM

Ok, thank you very much.

kai · 6th March 2017, 04:57 PM

Quote:

With the bondolan hilt, I keep the Javanese mendak or not?

Skip hilt and mendak.

A bondolan hilt does not need an uwer.

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2017, 09:42 PM

Yes, you're right Kai:- a bondolan does not need a transition piece from blade to hilt.

However, the complete keris usually is much more pleasing if a "keris ring" is fitted.

It's a matter of proportion and perception.

Jean · 7th March 2017, 11:21 AM

Anyway the existing mendak is a Central Java model and should better be replaced.
Regards

kai · 7th March 2017, 11:40 AM

Thanks, Alan!

Since the proportions between hilt and gambar (as well as gandar) are already different, would you go for a uwer Bali (maybe a relatively narrow one?) or a Madura style mendak or even selut?

Regards,
Kai

Athanase · 13th January 2019, 04:02 PM

Hello,

I finally found an old handle to replace the previous fantasy hilt.
Here is the new montage:

3rd March 2017, 11:12 AM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	A similar blade and a similar scabbard as those shown by Athanase. Regards Attached Images

13th January 2019, 04:02 PM	#11
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Hello, I finally found an old handle to replace the previous fantasy hilt. Here is the new montage: Attached Images

3rd March 2017, 04:07 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks for filling that in Donny. I was given it by a relative who was living in Sumenep in the 1980's, he took me out to a place near the port and showed me a place where he reckoned they landed. Its a good story, some of it might even be true.

5th March 2017, 02:47 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Thank you all for your valuable information. I have a little question : With the bondolan hilt, I keep the Javanese mendak or not?

5th March 2017, 04:39 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	No, with a bondolan hilt you should better fit a Balinese uwer (ring) IMO. Regards

5th March 2017, 05:45 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Athanase, the bondalan style hilt that you should be looking for is not the typical Balinese style. The Maduran form is a bit wide, sqautter, stockier if you will. This style is discussed a little bit on this thread as well as what may or may not be an appropriate mendak for such a hilt. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=bondalan

6th March 2017, 02:14 PM	#6
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 420	Ok, thank you very much.

6th March 2017, 09:42 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes, you're right Kai:- a bondolan does not need a transition piece from blade to hilt. However, the complete keris usually is much more pleasing if a "keris ring" is fitted. It's a matter of proportion and perception.

7th March 2017, 11:21 AM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Anyway the existing mendak is a Central Java model and should better be replaced. Regards

7th March 2017, 11:40 AM	#10
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks, Alan! Since the proportions between hilt and gambar (as well as gandar) are already different, would you go for a uwer Bali (maybe a relatively narrow one?) or a Madura style mendak or even selut? Regards, Kai