unusual keris

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

Dirty Iron is what we call Iron with lots of non metallic components. The forging process drives them out forming sparks as you strike the Iron. The purer the Iron becomes the less sparks formed. No keris could be spongy after being through the forging process. Keris blades are made from different types of besi (traditionally 16) they are all Iron just coming from different sources. I have seen a heavily pitted blade but never seen a spongy blade.

I am not talking here about non-metallic impurities but of the intrinsic structure of iron. besides maybe the original blade wasn't forged at all but cast.


I suspect that under sufficient magnification, the structure of the Keris my look something like this (but less cheesy of course, ):

[A. G. Maisey]

This comment was originally posted in error to a different thread.


Well, the discussion around and about this incredibly phantasmagorical keris has been bouncing along for two pages now, 38 posts!!

38 --- now 39 --- posts about a wooden keris that looks like metal, adorned with the laam-alif.

But then through some highly scientific experimentation it is discovered that we do not have a wooden keris in front of us at all.

No, it is in fact a metal keris, but wonder of wonders :- it can float!!

Metal that floats!!!

Miracle of miracles!!!

Joyoboyo did not actually predict that iron would float, but he came close, he predicted that ships would sail through the sky and that iron wagons would progress without horses. In fact, we now have iron ships that sail through the sky, so why not iron that floats?

This floating iron is to my way of thinking a clear indication that the Ratu Adil is about appear, or perhaps might already be amongst us. Those who follow present day Indonesian politics might well opt for the latter.

However, even without the Joyoboyo connection there is a perfectly rational, logical explanation for this floating keris.

The isi of this keris is most likely to be a Kyai, or perhaps a Pangeran, who during life abstained from bathing as a religious penance, in order to make his soul more pure.

He passed into the Other Realm, and thought he had found a home in this keris, that is until such time the keris was called upon to enter water.

It has been stated that this keris is extraordinarily light.
Why is this so?

Obviously it is because the holiness of the Kyai is causing it to levitate just slightly, if this holiness increases this keris could be in danger of becoming a flying keris, and levitate all the way into Swarga.

As we now know, when a keris moves independently and rattles in its scabbard, or bounces around the room, or even flies from one place to another, it is not because of any magical qualities in the iron, it is because it is responding to natural phenomena, like Earth Energy, or Solar Flares, or Weather, or even Water.

Yes, true, but does iron respond to these things unaided?

No, it does not, so obviously it is the isi in the keris that is responding, and in the case of this keris, it is responding to Water.

Why?

Because somebody who does not understand the sensibilities of the isi wants to put this Holy Kyai into water!

Perhaps the way forward might be to perform an offering to ask for forgiveness?

Maybe even have a slametan to re-enforce this plea for forgiveness?



But on the other hand --- if there was a considerable cavity in the body of the keris, this cavity could be the cause both of its lightness and its ability to float in water.

How could such a cavity be formed?

There are two ways, intentionally by welding only the edges of the blade, unintentionally by faulty welding that caused a massive cold shut.

I like the Kyai theory better, it has a more authentic feel to it.

[Sajen]

Agree!

Alan, you know that only very few people understand your statement!?

[Rick]

Google.....
Your word is a lamp for my feet and a light on my path.

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, that might be so Detlef, but I'm certain that the people who are ready to understand it, will understand it.

The last few lines should be very easy to understand, and I believe that those words probably give the explanation for the floating keris that is most likely to be acceptable to the non-magical world view.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, that might be so Detlef, but I'm certain that the people who are ready to understand it, will understand it.

The last few lines should be very easy to understand, and I believe that those words probably give the explanation for the floating keris that is most likely to be acceptable to the non-magical world view.

Brilliant! You made my day.... with your previous comment of course!