PAKAYUN

kai · 20th January 2017, 01:02 AM

Hello Ben,

Thanks for posting this very nice example! This one seems to have an even larger pommel than usual (and with especially nice carving) - could you possibly post a family pic of the major hilt types including this and also the one from your avatar, please?

It's a pity that many have lost their scabbards - the carving in this one is really great! I like these circular knots: I guess that they are initially for fastening the rattan but grew into decorative motifs, too. Do you know any other Borneo groups who utilize this kind of knot? This knot motif is also used in Moro swords, especially for wire work on hilts.

BTW, do you prefer pakayun over parapat or are you sticking with pakayun just for convenience?

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 21st January 2017, 12:16 PM

The was an big discussion on this subject....

Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun....

35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat.....

So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!!

It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name.....

The one on the avatar I sold ......

Dajak

Dajak · 29th January 2017, 07:29 PM

I found an pic of my old pakayun collection.

Dajak

Amuk Murugul · 29th January 2017, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajak

The was an big discussion on this subject....

Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun....

35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat.....

So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!!

It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name.....

The one on the avatar I sold ......

Dajak

In reality, it's like asking a foreigner whether they like the term "klompen" or "clogs".

Dajak · 30th January 2017, 02:18 AM

Hi Amuk you could be right on that....

Dajak

29th January 2017, 07:29 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	old pic I found an pic of my old pakayun collection. Dajak Attached Images

30th January 2017, 02:18 AM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Name Hi Amuk you could be right on that.... Dajak

20th January 2017, 01:02 AM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Ben, Thanks for posting this very nice example! This one seems to have an even larger pommel than usual (and with especially nice carving) - could you possibly post a family pic of the major hilt types including this and also the one from your avatar, please? It's a pity that many have lost their scabbards - the carving in this one is really great! I like these circular knots: I guess that they are initially for fastening the rattan but grew into decorative motifs, too. Do you know any other Borneo groups who utilize this kind of knot? This knot motif is also used in Moro swords, especially for wire work on hilts. BTW, do you prefer pakayun over parapat or are you sticking with pakayun just for convenience? Regards, Kai

21st January 2017, 12:16 PM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	The was an big discussion on this subject.... Pakayun was the name they use at the first time by Shelford who was on that moment talking that the people by that time before 1900 also did not now the exact use of the Pakayun.... 35 years later Banks conservator of the Sarawak museum (Shelford was also conservator) and telling he find out that the calling it parapat..... So if you use parapat in my opinion you are wrong!! It is like finding out the wheel again but give it an other name..... The one on the avatar I sold ...... Dajak