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Tim Simmons · 18th December 2016, 05:16 PM

Good point even fantasy genre is a cultural art form, and in time will be an area for reflection in the future. Still not my thing

kronckew · 18th December 2016, 06:02 PM

the skull dagger:i personally would sell it on ebay and get a few $ (or £) and forget it. there are people who like those. not too many here tho. it's fopr display on a wall, not for actual use as a tool or weapon.

the two afghani knives are frequently called 'khyber knives' in relation to their use near tyhe khyber pass area or sometimes the longer are salawar or salawar yataghans (they are not yats in the turkish sense) the 'T' spine may have a very slight recurve (S) profile in the yatty ones. they generally come in a leather covered wood scabbard and the grip is recessed into the top section of the scabbard. they may have a metal chape on the tip.

the last two are traditional filipino sword forms. (i like the one with the 'D' guard.) variations are endless, and all have different type names. they look a bit like a pinute (top) and a garab (bottom), but may be variants of another named type. they generally come in wood scabbards.

the nice bhutan knife/short sword is another traditional form found in bhutan and bordering areas of tibet, tribal boundaries there are blurred a bit

. the smaller knives are sometimes called 'dossum' and the swords 'patang' in bhutan. the bhutanese ones frequently have a dragon motif embossed on the scabbards, as does their national flag. tibetan ones can have fancy scabbards like mine, but tend to be plainer from ones i've seen, like yours. the lobed wire wound grip is diagnostic. mine is below. i include a photo of the king of bhutan in traditional dress. the patang is worn on the RIGHT side, like a legionnary gladius, and drawn with the right hand in bayonet style. the national sport is archery, so i'm assuming it's there so it doesn't get in the way of a bow. doubt the king needs worry much about that tho.

Spaffo · 18th December 2016, 09:13 PM

Thanks for the great information. The level of expertise on this forum is amazing. I got these knives and others in the mid 1990s from the estate of an old-time gun dealer. He had a lot of everything that I'm still learning things about.
-Bryce

Sajen · 18th December 2016, 09:30 PM

Hello Spaffo,

the two swords in down in post #2 are correct identified from Kronckew as Philippine swords, the upper one is from Luzon, turn of the centuries, you could call it matulis or itak.
The other one is IMHO a Bicol sword, other may say Visayan but I vote for the first choice. Nice pieces but the blades seems to be very badly cleaned!

Oh, and forget, welcome to the forum!

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 19th December 2016, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

it's fopr display on a wall, not for actual use as a tool or weapon.

I don't want to have it on my wall!

Spaffo · 19th December 2016, 08:06 PM

Here is a cropped view of the Bhutan blade. Sorry for the poor quality, I don't have the knife here to reshoot.

Spaffo · 19th December 2016, 09:36 PM

Didn't post. I'll try again.

kronckew · 20th December 2016, 07:02 AM

looks like you would need to etch the bhutanese knife blade to see if it were laminated - etching shows the laminations a lot better. search the forum for info on etching with vinegar...the knife shows signs that it is.

the knife in post 12 doesn't look filipino, more greek/ottoman to me. is the pommel end v-grooved like the contemporary cretan hunting knife with the olive wood grip i have, below?

p.s. - the dha-ish knife (dha also just means knife & they come in all sizes up to and including the more usual swords) looks more like a rattan splitting knife. never seen a dha that small that curved. there is always a first tho.

all my small dhas are fairly straight. see below for the small, medium and large dhas

finally, the more usual thai enep shape. this one is fairly large. thai version of a khukuri

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19th December 2016, 09:36 PM	#7
Spaffo Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 45	Didn't post. I'll try again. Attached Images

20th December 2016, 07:02 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	looks like you would need to etch the bhutanese knife blade to see if it were laminated - etching shows the laminations a lot better. search the forum for info on etching with vinegar...the knife shows signs that it is. the knife in post 12 doesn't look filipino, more greek/ottoman to me. is the pommel end v-grooved like the contemporary cretan hunting knife with the olive wood grip i have, below? p.s. - the dha-ish knife (dha also just means knife & they come in all sizes up to and including the more usual swords) looks more like a rattan splitting knife. never seen a dha that small that curved. there is always a first tho. all my small dhas are fairly straight. see below for the small, medium and large dhas finally, the more usual thai enep shape. this one is fairly large. thai version of a khukuri . Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 20th December 2016 at 07:14 AM.

18th December 2016, 05:16 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Good point even fantasy genre is a cultural art form, and in time will be an area for reflection in the future. Still not my thing

18th December 2016, 06:02 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	the skull dagger:i personally would sell it on ebay and get a few $ (or £) and forget it. there are people who like those. not too many here tho. it's fopr display on a wall, not for actual use as a tool or weapon. the two afghani knives are frequently called 'khyber knives' in relation to their use near tyhe khyber pass area or sometimes the longer are salawar or salawar yataghans (they are not yats in the turkish sense) the 'T' spine may have a very slight recurve (S) profile in the yatty ones. they generally come in a leather covered wood scabbard and the grip is recessed into the top section of the scabbard. they may have a metal chape on the tip. the last two are traditional filipino sword forms. (i like the one with the 'D' guard.) variations are endless, and all have different type names. they look a bit like a pinute (top) and a garab (bottom), but may be variants of another named type. they generally come in wood scabbards. the nice bhutan knife/short sword is another traditional form found in bhutan and bordering areas of tibet, tribal boundaries there are blurred a bit . the smaller knives are sometimes called 'dossum' and the swords 'patang' in bhutan. the bhutanese ones frequently have a dragon motif embossed on the scabbards, as does their national flag. tibetan ones can have fancy scabbards like mine, but tend to be plainer from ones i've seen, like yours. the lobed wire wound grip is diagnostic. mine is below. i include a photo of the king of bhutan in traditional dress. the patang is worn on the RIGHT side, like a legionnary gladius, and drawn with the right hand in bayonet style. the national sport is archery, so i'm assuming it's there so it doesn't get in the way of a bow. doubt the king needs worry much about that tho. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 18th December 2016 at 06:59 PM.

18th December 2016, 09:13 PM	#3
Spaffo Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 45	Thanks for the great information. The level of expertise on this forum is amazing. I got these knives and others in the mid 1990s from the estate of an old-time gun dealer. He had a lot of everything that I'm still learning things about. -Bryce

18th December 2016, 09:30 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	Hello Spaffo, the two swords in down in post #2 are correct identified from Kronckew as Philippine swords, the upper one is from Luzon, turn of the centuries, you could call it matulis or itak. The other one is IMHO a Bicol sword, other may say Visayan but I vote for the first choice. Nice pieces but the blades seems to be very badly cleaned! Oh, and forget, welcome to the forum! Regards, Detlef

19th December 2016, 08:06 PM	#6
Spaffo Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 45	Here is a cropped view of the Bhutan blade. Sorry for the poor quality, I don't have the knife here to reshoot.