After the Anglo-Sikh wars

Jens Nordlunde · 15th December 2016, 04:22 PM

Ken,
If you know who bought the lot with the swords and katar, please give me a PM.
Jens

Kmaddock · 15th December 2016, 05:18 PM

Hi Jens
Sorry I do not know who purchased the lot
Did you get my pm on the price the lot sold for
It was a lot of money so whom ever it was saw something of value in the lot.
Ken

Jens Nordlunde · 15th December 2016, 06:07 PM

Hi Ken,

No I dont think I got your PM - as I dont seem to be able to find it. Please send it again.
Jens

Kmaddock · 15th December 2016, 08:56 PM

Hi
I don't think it infringes rules so I will tell the price on open forum so other forum users are aware of value put on these items
If this is against rules my apologies and please delete post
The lot sold for 1100 sterling plus auction house fees
Regards
Ken

ariel · 16th December 2016, 04:26 AM

I must be missing something: for 2 intact katars of uncertain quality ( Jens, please feel free to correct me) , intact and not old kukri and a bunch of broken swords, all rusty, -£1100 + premium?
As far as I can see, the only reason is the handles. Wrong?

Kmaddock · 16th December 2016, 12:35 PM

Hi,

Also the 2 Pata were in a different lot, I think these went for £170 + fees

The pre auction estimate for the cut down sword and Katar lot was 50-100
I reckoned they would go higher but there was no way I was going as far as they went
regards
K

Jens Nordlunde · 16th December 2016, 04:17 PM

Ariel, it is a need sum of money, and there must have been more than one bidder to get the price this high. I am really wondering who and why?

Ken, it must have been a big surprice to the auction house, as it must have been to many of the other bidders.

Next time you see an old rusty kitchen knife for sale at an auctoin, dont bid under £100, or you will loose it:-).

Jim McDougall · 16th December 2016, 04:22 PM

Actually the good news is these hilts, although in rugged condition, can be reasonably restored, and undoubtedly will be remounted with vintage blades which hopefully will be somewhat correct. As we know, many swords were indeed refurbished in this manner during their working lives as it is.

While we can hope that this remounting and restoration would be properly noted in description in the future sale of these swords, naturally it is not always the case .

It would be great if these could be photographed and catalogued in before and after condition and the key features and details carefully noted. These details could be factored into our continuing study of these forms, especially with many of these which are extremely rare.

15th December 2016, 04:22 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ken, If you know who bought the lot with the swords and katar, please give me a PM. Jens

15th December 2016, 05:18 PM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Jens Sorry I do not know who purchased the lot Did you get my pm on the price the lot sold for It was a lot of money so whom ever it was saw something of value in the lot. Ken

15th December 2016, 06:07 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Ken, No I dont think I got your PM - as I dont seem to be able to find it. Please send it again. Jens

15th December 2016, 08:56 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi I don't think it infringes rules so I will tell the price on open forum so other forum users are aware of value put on these items If this is against rules my apologies and please delete post The lot sold for 1100 sterling plus auction house fees Regards Ken

16th December 2016, 04:26 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I must be missing something: for 2 intact katars of uncertain quality ( Jens, please feel free to correct me) , intact and not old kukri and a bunch of broken swords, all rusty, -£1100 + premium? As far as I can see, the only reason is the handles. Wrong?

16th December 2016, 12:35 PM	#6
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi, Also the 2 Pata were in a different lot, I think these went for £170 + fees The pre auction estimate for the cut down sword and Katar lot was 50-100 I reckoned they would go higher but there was no way I was going as far as they went regards K

16th December 2016, 04:17 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, it is a need sum of money, and there must have been more than one bidder to get the price this high. I am really wondering who and why? Ken, it must have been a big surprice to the auction house, as it must have been to many of the other bidders. Next time you see an old rusty kitchen knife for sale at an auctoin, dont bid under £100, or you will loose it:-).

16th December 2016, 04:22 PM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Actually the good news is these hilts, although in rugged condition, can be reasonably restored, and undoubtedly will be remounted with vintage blades which hopefully will be somewhat correct. As we know, many swords were indeed refurbished in this manner during their working lives as it is. While we can hope that this remounting and restoration would be properly noted in description in the future sale of these swords, naturally it is not always the case . It would be great if these could be photographed and catalogued in before and after condition and the key features and details carefully noted. These details could be factored into our continuing study of these forms, especially with many of these which are extremely rare.