ALGERIAN MIQULET FOR COMMENT

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

For the mark often seen on Algerian guns see~

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ALGERIAN+STAMP at # 149 photos 1 and 2. and #176 photos 1 and 2.

Also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...GERIAN+STAMP#3 photo 5.

One of the marks was found on a sword and one on an Algerian gun...Identical.

Both placed below for reference.

[BANDOOK]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

For the mark often seen on Algerian guns see~

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ALGERIAN+STAMP at # 149 photos 1 and 2. and #176 photos 1 and 2.

Also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...GERIAN+STAMP#3 photo 5.

One of the marks was found on a sword and one on an Algerian gun...Identical.

Both placed below for reference.

Saalams Ibrahiim,thanks will check the signatures on my gun and put up some pictures,it will be with me soon,Inshallah
regards Rajesh

[rickystl]

Hi Rajesh.

WOW!! Great find. Congratulations. Yes, please post more pics after you receive it. That gun should clean up very nice. And would take only minor restoration - should you desire.
LOCK: On these Algerian locks the mainspring operates off the TOE of the hammer. In this case, it looks like the mainspring has slipped off the hammer, or otherwise become detached from one another. But looking at the photos it does not seem to have broke anywhere. If so, it will just take a mainspring vise to re-engage it to the hammer. Note: These mainsprings are very strong, and care must be taken not to damage the lock.
A little bit of cleaning and work should make this a nice display piece. Can't wait to see more pics.

Rick

[BANDOOK]

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Rajesh.

WOW!! Great find. Congratulations. Yes, please post more pics after you receive it. That gun should clean up very nice. And would take only minor restoration - should you desire.
LOCK: On these Algerian locks the mainspring operates off the TOE of the hammer. In this case, it looks like the mainspring has slipped off the hammer, or otherwise become detached from one another. But looking at the photos it does not seem to have broke anywhere. If so, it will just take a mainspring vise to re-engage it to the hammer. Note: These mainsprings are very strong, and care must be taken not to damage the lock.
A little bit of cleaning and work should make this a nice display piece. Can't wait to see more pics.

Rick

THANKS RICK WILL TAKE IT TO A GUNSMITH AND GET THAT RECTIFIED AS AM NOT GOOD AT WORKING ON GUNS,SCARED I MAY DAMAGE PARTS
WILL ALSO SEND MORE PICTURES ONCE I GET IT IN MY HAND
KIND REGARDS RAJESH

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

For the mark often seen on Algerian guns see~

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ALGERIAN+STAMP at # 149 photos 1 and 2. and #176 photos 1 and 2.

Also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...GERIAN+STAMP#3 photo 5.

One of the marks was found on a sword and one on an Algerian gun...Identical.

Both placed below for reference.

Hi Ibrahiim.

I remember this Thread very well. I remember thinking to myself: What are the chances of finding the same makers mark on both a gunlock and a blade ? Likely made in the same shop. Amasing.

Rick

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Ibrahiim.

I remember this Thread very well. I remember thinking to myself: What are the chances of finding the same makers mark on both a gunlock and a blade ? Likely made in the same shop. Amasing.

Rick

I recall well the event! It was to me incredible, however, Mr Blalock for some reason (probably because he was very busy) didn't get back to me. I too was amazed by the coincidence and the same mark being struck on a blade. I wondered if the simple cross occasionally on blades in the region was some kind of short variation on that mark...?

[Fernando K]

Hello
Just to say it's not a lock miguelete. Is a lock "to the morlacca" or "to the mojaca". The miguelete has "pin" and two "chocks". This key has a safety hook, and the shot is produced by a single "chock". It has many characteristics of the lock miguelete and has as antecedent the lock of "agujeta". It was produced by the Bresia gunsmiths to export to the East, and then copied by the native gunsmiths.

Fernando K

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello
Just to say it's not a lock miguelete. Is a lock "to the morlacca" or "to the mojaca". The miguelete has "pin" and two "chocks". This key has a safety hook, and the shot is produced by a single "chock". It has many characteristics of the lock miguelete and has as antecedent the lock of "agujeta".

That's correct and very true.

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello
It was produced by the Bresia gunsmiths to export to the East, and then copied by the native gunsmiths.
Fernando K

I'm not sure about that.
I was thinking that this lock came from Spanish Holland to Spain and then North Africa...
What you propose is probably true for the Balkans and also Turkey.
Kubur

[Miqueleter]

I am solidly with Fernando K on this one, that is, this lock is a "stretched" agujeta lock, a type of lock probably born in Brescia, copied in North Africa, may or may not have preceded the classic patilla miquelet, but certainly ended up as the "romanlock". This lock appears to be missing the "catch" part of the back catch to the hammer, which leaves the lock with only one precarious full cock bent/notch/choke.

Kubar hinted that the lock may have come from Holland. Maybe so. The N. African model of the snaphance most likely came from Holland, as well as other European manufacturers for the North African trade, some locks and such for ransom payments and just plain commerce. No dispute on that, per Elgood. Just sayin'

At any rate, nice find. Respectfully, Jw

[Fernando K]

Miqueleter

The lock of "agujeta" called by the Spaniards also "lock of transition" also influences to the lock of Ceylan, via Portugal

Fernando K