Kris Moro for coments

mariusgmioc · 30th October 2016, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Marius,

beautiful kris from the 19th century, nearly can't believe that you get it from the Philippines. The scabbard seems to be much younger as the blade.
Enjoy the polishing and etching and don't forget to show us some pictures later.

Best regards,
Detlef

Yep, got it from the Philipines. They (FedEx of Philipines) wouldn't ship it to the Netherlands because they said it is forbidden by Dutch law. I had to press them to get better informed and in the end I got it.

Thank you for your comments and suggestion, but I am afraid it will have to wait a little in line before I will manage to give it the attention it deserves.

CharlesS · 30th October 2016, 09:52 PM

Absolutely lovely example from top to bottom....congrats!

The scabbard does look younger, but don't worry about that. How well does it fit the mouth of the scabbard?

Again, great find!

Battara · 31st October 2016, 02:12 AM

This is a nice Maguindanao datu kris. The grip might be later, but still early. However, the real worth is in the blade: one of the best datu class blades I've seen, even though there are a few missing silver inlays. Nice silver baka-baka clamps too.

As far as the scabbard is concerned, it might be later, but I'm not sure. It certainly is also Maguindanao in style. It would be good to test the scabbard bands to see if they are aluminum, white metal, or silver. If aluminum, then we are looking at the scabbard to be from the 1940s. If silver or white metal, then it was made earlier.

I'm a little surprised that there are anymore old kris available. Most of them are over here in the US, though I've heard that some are still hiding in the Philippines.

Sajen · 31st October 2016, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

As far as the scabbard is concerned, it might be later, but I'm not sure. It certainly is also Maguindanao in style. It would be good to test the scabbard bands to see if they are aluminum, white metal, or silver. If aluminum, then we are looking at the scabbard to be from the 1940s. If silver or white metal, then it was made earlier.

After a second look I have to agree, the scabbard bands look first like aluminum but seems to be from silver or other white metal. And the wood look well used.

VANDOO · 31st October 2016, 05:51 AM

CONGRATULATIONS ON AN EXCELLENT FIRST KRIS IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TOP THIS ONE. I ASSUME YOU BOUGHT A ROLLS ROYCE OR FERRARI FOR YOUR FIRST CAR BASED ON THIS .

mariusgmioc · 31st October 2016, 02:30 PM

Hello, and thank you for your comments!

Overall both the Kris and the scabbard show clear and consistent signs of age and wear making me think they are both contemporaries.

The bands on the scabbard appear to be a silver-brass alloy as they are white with a yellowish shade.

Regarding the inlays in the blade, they appear to be brass or a low carat gold alloy.

The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement.

The overall unsheathed length of the kris is 68 cm, and it gives a very strong and sturdy feel.

Sajen · 31st October 2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement.

Hello Marius,

can you show a picture when the blade is inside the scabbard from sideward up? Again, great catch!

Best regards,
Detlef

Battara · 31st October 2016, 06:17 PM

I agree with you on the scabbard, but it would be good to test the bands, preferably by a jeweler.

The inlays on the blade are silver based on the patina I see.

Again a great piece and thanks for posting.

Sajen has a good idea - if you can take photos of the fit in the scabbard.

mross · 1st November 2016, 08:30 PM

Nice.

30th October 2016, 09:52 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Absolutely lovely example from top to bottom....congrats! The scabbard does look younger, but don't worry about that. How well does it fit the mouth of the scabbard? Again, great find!

31st October 2016, 02:12 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	This is a nice Maguindanao datu kris. The grip might be later, but still early. However, the real worth is in the blade: one of the best datu class blades I've seen, even though there are a few missing silver inlays. Nice silver baka-baka clamps too. As far as the scabbard is concerned, it might be later, but I'm not sure. It certainly is also Maguindanao in style. It would be good to test the scabbard bands to see if they are aluminum, white metal, or silver. If aluminum, then we are looking at the scabbard to be from the 1940s. If silver or white metal, then it was made earlier. I'm a little surprised that there are anymore old kris available. Most of them are over here in the US, though I've heard that some are still hiding in the Philippines.

31st October 2016, 05:51 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CONGRATULATIONS ON AN EXCELLENT FIRST KRIS IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TOP THIS ONE. I ASSUME YOU BOUGHT A ROLLS ROYCE OR FERRARI FOR YOUR FIRST CAR BASED ON THIS .

31st October 2016, 02:30 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Hello, and thank you for your comments! Overall both the Kris and the scabbard show clear and consistent signs of age and wear making me think they are both contemporaries. The bands on the scabbard appear to be a silver-brass alloy as they are white with a yellowish shade. Regarding the inlays in the blade, they appear to be brass or a low carat gold alloy. The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement. The overall unsheathed length of the kris is 68 cm, and it gives a very strong and sturdy feel.

31st October 2016, 06:17 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I agree with you on the scabbard, but it would be good to test the bands, preferably by a jeweler. The inlays on the blade are silver based on the patina I see. Again a great piece and thanks for posting. Sajen has a good idea - if you can take photos of the fit in the scabbard.

1st November 2016, 08:30 PM	#9
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Nice.