Help identifying silver mark on kindjal

motan · 5th October 2016, 01:29 PM

I bought this very small kinjal recently, somhow thinking it was Ottoman. It turned out to be Russian, but I don't know anything about age and origin. It is in rough shape, so not a very good peice, but I gave it for restoration anyway. It has a maker's mark, and three silve hallmarks. I know that the symbol next to the "84" should stand for a place (town) where it was made. Does anyone know this mark? Any thoughts about age? Thanks

G. McCormack · 5th October 2016, 09:05 PM

The city is Tbilisi, Georgia, and that's a 19th century mark. Do you have more pics of all the marks?

Sajen · 5th October 2016, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G. McCormack

Do you have more pics of all the marks?

And pictures of the entire blade?

Oliver Pinchot · 5th October 2016, 10:12 PM

G. McCormack is correct, it is the Tbilisi mark.
I believe this design came into use in 1886.
The embellishment is in Circassian style. Relatively
small daggers like this one were made for boys and
women.

motan · 6th October 2016, 11:50 AM

I knew I could trust this forum members for some good answers. Thank you. Here are some additional pictures. Unfortunately, the blade is severely damaged by rust and I can only stabilize it. It is a thin and sharp, with a diamond cross-section and looks fairly well made. Remains of leather or similar material once covering the sheath are visible in picture.
About the small size later. I have participated in previous a thread on the subject and it is an interesting subject.

Jim McDougall · 6th October 2016, 03:16 PM

The 84 itself was of course the fineness of the silver
84 zolotniki or 875/1000 pure silver
Russian marks would have marks including town mark as indicated.
If court supplier the double head eagle.

French used the 84 as well, but only accompanied by a G.

5th October 2016, 01:29 PM	#1
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Help identifying silver mark on kindjal I bought this very small kinjal recently, somhow thinking it was Ottoman. It turned out to be Russian, but I don't know anything about age and origin. It is in rough shape, so not a very good peice, but I gave it for restoration anyway. It has a maker's mark, and three silve hallmarks. I know that the symbol next to the "84" should stand for a place (town) where it was made. Does anyone know this mark? Any thoughts about age? Thanks Attached Images

6th October 2016, 11:50 AM	#5
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Thanks I knew I could trust this forum members for some good answers. Thank you. Here are some additional pictures. Unfortunately, the blade is severely damaged by rust and I can only stabilize it. It is a thin and sharp, with a diamond cross-section and looks fairly well made. Remains of leather or similar material once covering the sheath are visible in picture. About the small size later. I have participated in previous a thread on the subject and it is an interesting subject. Attached Images

5th October 2016, 09:05 PM	#2
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	The city is Tbilisi, Georgia, and that's a 19th century mark. Do you have more pics of all the marks?

5th October 2016, 10:12 PM	#4
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	G. McCormack is correct, it is the Tbilisi mark. I believe this design came into use in 1886. The embellishment is in Circassian style. Relatively small daggers like this one were made for boys and women.

6th October 2016, 03:16 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,946	The 84 itself was of course the fineness of the silver 84 zolotniki or 875/1000 pure silver Russian marks would have marks including town mark as indicated. If court supplier the double head eagle. French used the 84 as well, but only accompanied by a G.