Meteorite iron?

Seerp Visser · 30th September 2016, 08:11 PM

Alain,
The kris you showed has a beautiful pamor. Since i am a blacksmith i am very interested to know how to make this pamor.
In fact since some time i am looking for the secrets behind the pamor Bulu Ajam too. For me a very special and beautiful pamor.
Here in the Netherlands and Belgium (where i live) we know the feather damast, but the pamor of our Indonesian brothers impresses me very much. Are you willing to inform me about the way to forge this?

A. G. Maisey · 2nd October 2016, 10:30 PM

Seerp, this pamor is made by surface manipulation, essentially it is the same process that is used making the Middle Eastern ladder patterns. Udan mas, bonang, banyu tetes, all these pamors are just simple surface manipulation.

Bulu ayam is an East Jawa name for ron duru. The legend with ron duru is that an empu made it once during his lifetime, and then he died.

I'd sooner not be responsible for your death Seerp.

But seriously, when I was taught how to make ron duru I was cautioned that this knowledge was sufficient for me alone. I am prohibited from telling you how to complete the entire process. What I can tell you, and this is common knowledge, is that it is made by stacking, splitting and rewelding.

I suggest that you get hold of the books of Jim Hrisoulis, from memory I think you need "The Master Bladesmith". You should be able to work out how to do it by analysing the information you will find there.

Working with plasticine can help a lot in working out how to make various pamor patterns.

Seerp Visser · 3rd October 2016, 08:21 PM

Thank you Alain to be so worried about my health.
But in my case it will be different. I am 73 years old, so i want to forge the bulu ayam before i die.
The stacking and splitting is the difficult way. I thought there was a brilliant way to make the pamor easier.
I have the books of Jim Hrisoulas and will study them again.
Thanks again

A. G. Maisey · 4th October 2016, 07:12 AM

Sorry Seerp, I do not know any easy way.

If you already know the split and stack method, and can preserve the motif in a full length blade, you're already equal with any pattern welder whom I know.

30th September 2016, 08:11 PM	#1
Seerp Visser Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 37	Alain, The kris you showed has a beautiful pamor. Since i am a blacksmith i am very interested to know how to make this pamor. In fact since some time i am looking for the secrets behind the pamor Bulu Ajam too. For me a very special and beautiful pamor. Here in the Netherlands and Belgium (where i live) we know the feather damast, but the pamor of our Indonesian brothers impresses me very much. Are you willing to inform me about the way to forge this?

2nd October 2016, 10:30 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	Seerp, this pamor is made by surface manipulation, essentially it is the same process that is used making the Middle Eastern ladder patterns. Udan mas, bonang, banyu tetes, all these pamors are just simple surface manipulation. Bulu ayam is an East Jawa name for ron duru. The legend with ron duru is that an empu made it once during his lifetime, and then he died. I'd sooner not be responsible for your death Seerp. But seriously, when I was taught how to make ron duru I was cautioned that this knowledge was sufficient for me alone. I am prohibited from telling you how to complete the entire process. What I can tell you, and this is common knowledge, is that it is made by stacking, splitting and rewelding. I suggest that you get hold of the books of Jim Hrisoulis, from memory I think you need "The Master Bladesmith". You should be able to work out how to do it by analysing the information you will find there. Working with plasticine can help a lot in working out how to make various pamor patterns.

3rd October 2016, 08:21 PM	#3
Seerp Visser Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 37	Thank you Alain to be so worried about my health. But in my case it will be different. I am 73 years old, so i want to forge the bulu ayam before i die. The stacking and splitting is the difficult way. I thought there was a brilliant way to make the pamor easier. I have the books of Jim Hrisoulas and will study them again. Thanks again

4th October 2016, 07:12 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,988	Sorry Seerp, I do not know any easy way. If you already know the split and stack method, and can preserve the motif in a full length blade, you're already equal with any pattern welder whom I know.