Could the eyelash mark originate from Vienna ?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

I note from atkinson-swords at http://atkinson-swords.com/marks-and...rif-stamp.html a well placed sentence Quote'' Sword blade "blanks" may originate in many countries and were desirable trade goods. Marks added to such blades do not necessarily indicate the forge, armory or original sword-smith. Rather, they may be added locally as markers of quality or "power" of the blade. For example, the "eyelash" or "sickle" marks of Genoa and elsewhere are well known and often imitated, that is, added to blades originating in Germany or the Caucasus. The Mazir-i-Sharif stamp was added to edged weapons and coins in Kabul, Afghanistan.'' Unquote.

[Jens Nordlunde]

I am by no way a specialist, but my guess is, that the very deep marks were made while the steel was very warm, and the not so deep marks were made when the steel was cold.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

I am by no way a specialist, but my guess is, that the very deep marks were made while the steel was very warm, and the not so deep marks were made when the steel was cold.

I ask a similar question at #28 . We simply do not know if the strike was made at the anvil when the blade was hot or ... Were the marks done on a cold blade in a different country? It is known that many blades were suited up later with blade marks but we don't know if they were done on the forge hot or cold.

[DavidFriedman]

Greetings all,
This blade has what appears to be remnants of eyelash marks. The triple dots that are found at the terminations of the crescents remain. Both sides feature the same markings. Also there is a micro remnant of an eyelash crescent on one side of the blade. Not sure if it shows in these photos.

The blade is of exceptional quality. Light, flexible and narrow. Hilted on a tiger hilt. Not sure the coating on the hilt (any insight would be great there too).

So in your opinions, does this appear to be an Italian import blade? Or possibly an Indian made variant. Blade has a long indentation along the base of the spine for the first 7 or 8 inches from the guard.

Thanks.

[Jim McDougall]

An interesting saber, and with this tiger form hilt of course suggesting the regalia of the celebrated ruler of Mysore, Tipu Sultan, who was killed by British forces at Seringapatam in 1799.
In observing this sword from photos, it is of course hard to say with certainty that it is of the period, especially as such weapons were produced in a commemorative sense for some time after this.

However, the blade on this example may be Styrian, a region in Austria which closely followed many Italian blade producing conventions, which included the use of the famed 'sickle marks' (eyelashes) . These markings were typically deemed "Genoan' but in actuality were used in numerous North Italian blade making centers, with Genoa the part of departure for these exports.

Styrian blade making centers produced blades for various East European countries including Hungary. The rest of Europe, notably France, became enamored of the colorful hussar cavalry units and the influences of their uniforms and weapons as well as numbers of Hungarian officers and troops joined their ranks in the latter 18th c.

The French were situated in India to the east in the coastal region of Pondicherry in the mid 18th century and later, allied with some of the Indian states in the antagonizing of the British interests there.

Tipu Sultan had of course notable disdain for the British, and often had French advisors and supplied materials so 'by the numbers' it is possible that a Styrian blade, via French presence, might have come into Mysori hands and been used in this type of Mysori saber.

The sickle marks seem in the proper configuration, and the three dots punched deeply while the arcs normally present are indiscernible in these images.

I am not aware of Indian blades using these multiple fullers in this manner and the blade, though recalling certain Italian storta style forms, seems more probably Styrian IMO.

Hope this helps, despite clearly speculation and the tenuous possible solution.

[DavidFriedman]

Thank you Jim, for your detailed thoughts on it. My saber actually came with a yali tipped knuckle bow guard, which was so close to the hilt that it came off when my friend tried to wield it.

I do feel strongly that this blade is European. Thank you for the confirmation in regards to the double fullers.

Cheers

[DavidFriedman]

Here is another Tulwar with a very similar blade, in terms of fullers, hollow grooved spine, and similar eyelash marking stamps. Just much heavier and not as nimble.

Would you say that both blades would have originated in the same workshop?