KASKARA, 19TH C ?

DaveS · 3rd September 2016, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

I believe the mark to be an abstract representation of an Ottoman tugra. It is oriented laterally.

Oliver: I have the same kind of blade without a handle or long fuller but with the exact same mark. I seem to recall years ago seeing that mark in a reference book, and it was described as being British. Can't remember which book. I'll try to dig it up if i can............Dave.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 4th September 2016, 06:37 AM

See the tughra below note the 3 parallel lines .

Edster · 12th July 2018, 11:11 PM

I must have missed this thread. Anyway, here is another sword with the fabled "enigmatic" mark. Its hard to see in the photo taken in 1984 but is just under the langet. Trust me.

The sword is undated, but gifted to Judge al Shengeti c.1956 at Sudan's independence and in his collection Collection in the Univ. of Khartoum.

Best,
Ed

Ian · 12th July 2018, 11:27 PM

Ed,

Thanks for bringing this thread up again. I think it is one of the better examples on this Forum of how broad our members' collective knowledge of ethnographic arms can be. Wonderful information from Jim, Iain, and Ibrahiim.

A mini-classic!

Ian.

Battara · 14th July 2018, 04:34 PM

Oh I'm impressed!

William Fox · 8th March 2019, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

See the tughra below note the 3 parallel lines .

I have heard it said that the sultanic tughra has certain key elements that were included for all Ottoman Sultans and had a significance.

The three lines stand for the three horse tail standard used by the early Turkish chieftains.
The movement of the wavy lines from East to West, symbolises the Turkish people's migration westwards.
The small and large circular shapes symbolise the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, with the sword of Islam overlaid on top of both symbolising the Sultans domination of these seas.

4th September 2016, 06:37 AM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	See the tughra below note the 3 parallel lines . Attached Images

12th July 2018, 11:11 PM	#3
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 411	I must have missed this thread. Anyway, here is another sword with the fabled "enigmatic" mark. Its hard to see in the photo taken in 1984 but is just under the langet. Trust me. The sword is undated, but gifted to Judge al Shengeti c.1956 at Sudan's independence and in his collection Collection in the Univ. of Khartoum. Best, Ed Attached Images

12th July 2018, 11:27 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Ed, Thanks for bringing this thread up again. I think it is one of the better examples on this Forum of how broad our members' collective knowledge of ethnographic arms can be. Wonderful information from Jim, Iain, and Ibrahiim. A mini-classic! Ian.

14th July 2018, 04:34 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Oh I'm impressed!