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David · 25th August 2016, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Children are only expensive if they are treated in a way that fails to educate them in the ways of the real world.

Well, welcome to the "civilized" world Alan. I live in a culture that frowns just a bit on child labor. Child rearing is a great expense, from the cradle through the excessively expensive college educations that ideally i am supposed to be saving for all through the child's life if i am trying to be a "good" parent.
I am not arguing your logic Alan, but i don't live in Indonesia or India or any other place where children make an essential financial contribution to the family.

Rick · 25th August 2016, 06:19 AM

It works out.
Mine does by not asking for loans, ever.

He makes really good money, works 7 months out of the year, has two houses, 3 Toyotas, two boats and is living the dream.

Plus I got a Grandson out of the deal.

A. G. Maisey · 25th August 2016, 07:16 AM

Yes David, I live in a similar society, and not particularly wanting to spend time in court fighting well meaning but deluded "do-gooders" I have lived my life more or less in accordance with the standards of the society I live in, however, having seen both sides of the coin, I really do wish sometimes that the fat, happy tree huggers who live in Sydney, New York , London etc, would just butt out of telling people who live in other societies, how to raise their children.

I do know more than just a little about the cost of raising children, including a number of children whom I did not father.

mariusgmioc · 25th August 2016, 07:36 AM

The problem with our "Western" societies is that "politically correctness" (which I equal to idiocy) has completely replaced common sense.

A. G. Maisey · 25th August 2016, 08:55 AM

Yep.

I could add a 5000 word paper to that, in fact I have a suitable one ready that I wrote maybe 7 or 8 years ago --- and things have become worse since then.

But I doubt that it would be appreciated.

mariusgmioc · 25th August 2016, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yep.

I could add a 5000 word paper to that, in fact I have a suitable one ready that I wrote maybe 7 or 8 years ago --- and things have become worse since then.

But I doubt that it would be appreciated.

Of course it won't be appreciated as it won't conform to the newly imposed politically correct norms.

David · 25th August 2016, 07:01 PM

ummmm....OK gentlemen, we are had a nice little tour into off-topic land and i would like to see the conversation return to keris, unless folks feel we are done here.
Frankly i still don't feel i have ever had a completely satisfactory explanation of the purpose/function and/or societal placement of Passio Sumange (Toli-Toli). They have become very commonplace on newly made dress for keris i see in the marketplace, but i get the feeling that this is a rather new phenomenon that does this style of dress a bit of a disservice. Anyone have ideas on this?

25th August 2016, 06:19 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Sometimes....... It works out. Mine does by not asking for loans, ever. He makes really good money, works 7 months out of the year, has two houses, 3 Toyotas, two boats and is living the dream. Plus I got a Grandson out of the deal.

25th August 2016, 07:16 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes David, I live in a similar society, and not particularly wanting to spend time in court fighting well meaning but deluded "do-gooders" I have lived my life more or less in accordance with the standards of the society I live in, however, having seen both sides of the coin, I really do wish sometimes that the fat, happy tree huggers who live in Sydney, New York , London etc, would just butt out of telling people who live in other societies, how to raise their children. I do know more than just a little about the cost of raising children, including a number of children whom I did not father.

25th August 2016, 07:36 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	The problem with our "Western" societies is that "politically correctness" (which I equal to idiocy) has completely replaced common sense.

25th August 2016, 08:55 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yep. I could add a 5000 word paper to that, in fact I have a suitable one ready that I wrote maybe 7 or 8 years ago --- and things have become worse since then. But I doubt that it would be appreciated.

25th August 2016, 07:01 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	ummmm....OK gentlemen, we are had a nice little tour into off-topic land and i would like to see the conversation return to keris, unless folks feel we are done here. Frankly i still don't feel i have ever had a completely satisfactory explanation of the purpose/function and/or societal placement of Passio Sumange (Toli-Toli). They have become very commonplace on newly made dress for keris i see in the marketplace, but i get the feeling that this is a rather new phenomenon that does this style of dress a bit of a disservice. Anyone have ideas on this?