Are you kidding me, "no bull?"

drac2k · 12th August 2016, 04:33 PM

First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it.
In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

Rick · 12th August 2016, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac2k

First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it.
In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

I think it would have been better to take this to the staff.

I believe we have been down the Bullfighting Weapons road more than once in the 15 odd years I have been involved here.
That road always leads downhill.

Bob A · 12th August 2016, 05:02 PM

I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject.

The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

Rick · 12th August 2016, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob A

I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject.

The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

Bob, you too should take your concerns to staff.

Let's move on to other things, please.

VANDOO · 12th August 2016, 06:52 PM

MY REASON FOR THE POST WAS TO SHOW A SPECIALIZED SET OF INTERESTING WEAPONS MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MYSELF INCLUDED. I SANITIZED IT, NO GORY PICTURES OR GLORIFYING OF THE SPORT. JUST REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF THE EDGED WEAPONS SHOWING SOME OF THEIR UNUSUAL FEATURES.
YET I SEE SUCH WORDS AS OUTRAGED, OFFENDED AND SUCH NO DOUBT MANY OF THESE BARBARIC ITEMS WE DISCUSS HERE ARE OFFENSIVE TO SOME. IS WHAT WE DISCUSS AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO POST OR DISCUSS TO BE DETERMINED BY THESE FEW.

NO FURTHER MENTION OF THE BRUTALITY OR HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETY'S OR THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES? IF WE FOLLOW THIS PATH AND PRECEDENT IT WILL SEVERELY LIMIT THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE SHARED HERE. I JUST DON'T READ POSTS I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE SAME WOULD GO FOR SITES I AM OFFENDED BY. I DON'T MAKE DEMANDS ON THOSE I DISAGREE WITH OR AM OFFENDED BY, I JUST GO MY OWN WAY AND THEY GO THEIRS. THE NEW FORUM "PLUCK OUT THE EYE IF IT OFFENDS THEE" POLICY IS A BIT OFFENSIVE TO ME NOW WE CAN UNFRIEND PEOPLE AND NEVER SEE ANY OF THEIR POSTS. I FIND THAT A BIT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS EVERYONE THAT POSTS HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE REGARDLESS OF IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM AND YOU ARE FREE TO POST YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEW OR ADD INFORMATION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ WHAT A CERTAIN PERSON WROTE DON'T READ IT. BUT IF THESE VIEWS OFFEND OR OUTRAGE THEE FEEL FREE TO PLUCK ALL I POST FROM THEE. ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS ARE THOSE OFFENDED THE ONES WHO REGULARLY ADD KNOWLEDGE AND POSTS TO THE FORUMS OR ONES WHO ONLY CRITIQUE AND ARE THEY A MAJORITY OR A MINOR GROUP. THAT IS SOMETHING FOR MODERATORS TO CONSIDER BEFORE TAKING THE ROAD TO P.C. WITH THE FORUM.
I AM NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE LEAST OF ALL THE MODERATORS BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. NO OFFENSE MEANT AND NO OUTRAGE FELT.

Rick · 12th August 2016, 09:39 PM

I'll just leave this here..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=684

ariel · 12th August 2016, 10:01 PM

On several occasions when I visited Spain, the organizers of the meetings offered visits to the corrida as cultural entertainment. I invariably refused. I am not a vegetarian and enjoy my steaks rare, but I do not have to witness the act of butchery. This is pure IMHO.

Having said that, I am a bit surprised by the political correctness of the few and the acquienscence by the moderators. I am not interested in these implements and do not intend to read these post: not out of abhorrence, but simply because of lack of interest. So can the protesters, and they can choose their own motives.

We are discussing here weapons, i.e. implements of death on the battlefields or in dark alleys, sacrificial swords intended to kill immobilized dumb animal for the glory of non-existing symbolic personalities, and even execution implements created for public dismemberment of defenseless humans in front of blood-thirsty spectators , - and accept the appropriateness of such discussions without batting an eye.

To play a politically correct game against discussing , - just discussing! - weapons of the corrida strikes me as ( no personal insult intended) sanctimonious hypocrisy. Do the protesters organize petitions to ban discussions of cold weapons of the Third Reich or WWII Japanese swords?

Well, I have said it all and can return to the study of Persian shamshirs, apparently the best cavalry weapon to slice lightly dressed retreating infantry men.

David · 13th August 2016, 12:47 AM

I find it really interesting that no one really seems to have bothered to actually read Ian's last post fully. His closing line was as follows:
"This thread is closed now, pending further discussion by the Moderators." Maybe if you all stop your bitching and moaning and allow the Moderators of that forum to have an actual discussion about the thread as Ian posted they would the thread might be re-opened. Nobody "ended" this thread. It was temporarily suspended while the moderators evaluated the complaint they received against it. This is standard procedure. The most inappropriate thing that has happened here is all the public criticism that has been leveled at this team while they try their best to balance the needs of one group of members against another. Not an easy task, i can assure you. As Rick has already pointed out, public criticism of moderator actions is not an appropriate response and when you have complaints they should be sent directly to the moderation team in PMs.

12th August 2016, 04:33 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	First, let me thank you for allowing me to post my differing opinion.Please note that there weren't any posts glorifying "bullfighting;"had the thread continued, I'm sure that some of the cruel aspects of this"sport," would have been portrayed, which might have swayed more against it. In regards to the discussion of the weapons of this trade being "irrelevant,"I think it to be no less so than the Ram Dao, or other sacrificial swords.

12th August 2016, 05:02 PM	#3
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 435	I for one found the thread in question of interest, as I have no actual experience with or particular knowledge of bullfighting. I have not been involved here long enough to have experienced the earlier discussions on the subject. The question of animal sacrifice crosses most cultures, and being squeamish about the tools involved is rather insular for a site devoted to weaponry.

12th August 2016, 06:52 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY REASON FOR THE POST WAS TO SHOW A SPECIALIZED SET OF INTERESTING WEAPONS MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH MYSELF INCLUDED. I SANITIZED IT, NO GORY PICTURES OR GLORIFYING OF THE SPORT. JUST REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF THE EDGED WEAPONS SHOWING SOME OF THEIR UNUSUAL FEATURES. YET I SEE SUCH WORDS AS OUTRAGED, OFFENDED AND SUCH NO DOUBT MANY OF THESE BARBARIC ITEMS WE DISCUSS HERE ARE OFFENSIVE TO SOME. IS WHAT WE DISCUSS AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO POST OR DISCUSS TO BE DETERMINED BY THESE FEW. NO FURTHER MENTION OF THE BRUTALITY OR HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETY'S OR THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES? IF WE FOLLOW THIS PATH AND PRECEDENT IT WILL SEVERELY LIMIT THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE SHARED HERE. I JUST DON'T READ POSTS I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE SAME WOULD GO FOR SITES I AM OFFENDED BY. I DON'T MAKE DEMANDS ON THOSE I DISAGREE WITH OR AM OFFENDED BY, I JUST GO MY OWN WAY AND THEY GO THEIRS. THE NEW FORUM "PLUCK OUT THE EYE IF IT OFFENDS THEE" POLICY IS A BIT OFFENSIVE TO ME NOW WE CAN UNFRIEND PEOPLE AND NEVER SEE ANY OF THEIR POSTS. I FIND THAT A BIT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS EVERYONE THAT POSTS HAS SOMETHING TO SHARE REGARDLESS OF IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM AND YOU ARE FREE TO POST YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEW OR ADD INFORMATION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ WHAT A CERTAIN PERSON WROTE DON'T READ IT. BUT IF THESE VIEWS OFFEND OR OUTRAGE THEE FEEL FREE TO PLUCK ALL I POST FROM THEE. ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS ARE THOSE OFFENDED THE ONES WHO REGULARLY ADD KNOWLEDGE AND POSTS TO THE FORUMS OR ONES WHO ONLY CRITIQUE AND ARE THEY A MAJORITY OR A MINOR GROUP. THAT IS SOMETHING FOR MODERATORS TO CONSIDER BEFORE TAKING THE ROAD TO P.C. WITH THE FORUM. I AM NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE LEAST OF ALL THE MODERATORS BUT THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. NO OFFENSE MEANT AND NO OUTRAGE FELT.

12th August 2016, 09:39 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'll just leave this here.. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=684

12th August 2016, 10:01 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	On several occasions when I visited Spain, the organizers of the meetings offered visits to the corrida as cultural entertainment. I invariably refused. I am not a vegetarian and enjoy my steaks rare, but I do not have to witness the act of butchery. This is pure IMHO. Having said that, I am a bit surprised by the political correctness of the few and the acquienscence by the moderators. I am not interested in these implements and do not intend to read these post: not out of abhorrence, but simply because of lack of interest. So can the protesters, and they can choose their own motives. We are discussing here weapons, i.e. implements of death on the battlefields or in dark alleys, sacrificial swords intended to kill immobilized dumb animal for the glory of non-existing symbolic personalities, and even execution implements created for public dismemberment of defenseless humans in front of blood-thirsty spectators , - and accept the appropriateness of such discussions without batting an eye. To play a politically correct game against discussing , - just discussing! - weapons of the corrida strikes me as ( no personal insult intended) sanctimonious hypocrisy. Do the protesters organize petitions to ban discussions of cold weapons of the Third Reich or WWII Japanese swords? Well, I have said it all and can return to the study of Persian shamshirs, apparently the best cavalry weapon to slice lightly dressed retreating infantry men.

13th August 2016, 12:47 AM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I find it really interesting that no one really seems to have bothered to actually read Ian's last post fully. His closing line was as follows: "This thread is closed now, pending further discussion by the Moderators." Maybe if you all stop your bitching and moaning and allow the Moderators of that forum to have an actual discussion about the thread as Ian posted they would the thread might be re-opened. Nobody "ended" this thread. It was temporarily suspended while the moderators evaluated the complaint they received against it. This is standard procedure. The most inappropriate thing that has happened here is all the public criticism that has been leveled at this team while they try their best to balance the needs of one group of members against another. Not an easy task, i can assure you. As Rick has already pointed out, public criticism of moderator actions is not an appropriate response and when you have complaints they should be sent directly to the moderation team in PMs.