Sumatran, Borneo or Moro???

VVV · 10th February 2006, 09:05 PM

Hi Mabagani,

Interesting twist. "Recycled" spearhead swords seems to be common in f.i. Indonesia.
I am not so familiar with Moro spearheads so I have tried to find pictures of any resembling
this blade shape but couldn't.
Do you have any reference pictures?

Michael

Spunjer · 10th February 2006, 10:44 PM

michael,

check the last few posts on this thread...

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001736.html

maybe Kino can repost his budiak?

btw, how wide is the blade???

VVV · 11th February 2006, 09:29 AM

Hi Spunjer,

It's 4,5 cm. Nice thread with some great spearheads, thanks.
And my blade is just slightly longer than the XXL Budiak posted.
I do have a Budiak so I put them next to each other.
From bird perspective I agree that there are some resemblance.
But looking from the side the Budiak resemblance is lost.
Also my blade has both a different tip and tang than a Budiak.
If you look at the blade thickness picture above it's obviously much flatter
than a Budiak and thinnest at its center.
Maybe Mabagani had another kind of spear in mind?

Michael

Dajak · 11th February 2006, 04:00 PM

Hi this is not from borneo the motifs on you can find on many weapons from malay indonesia there is no influence from Borneo on this Item

VVV · 12th February 2006, 04:31 PM

I think Mabagani's idea about the blade originating from a spearhead is interesting.
I don't know much about Moro spearheads but I noticed that some Dayak spearheads also are flat with a flat tang.
Pict 1 is the X blade next to a Budiak and a Dayak spear.
Pict 2 is the Budiak and the X blade from the side.
Pict 3 is the Dayak spear and the X blade.
Are there any Moro spears that resembles this Dayak spear?
Ben/Dajak, I still think Borneo could be a possible origin even if this blade doesn't belong to any of the documented swords.
But I am open to more specific arguments why it's impossible that it ever could have been assembled in Borneo?

Michael

Dajak · 12th February 2006, 09:18 PM

Hi Michael the silverwork could be done everywhere so that is hard to say but it looks more like an Mandaya I had an Mandaya dagger blade did looks a lot like this one .
Kampilan was also in Use by the seadayaks but is not from borneo even moro kriss can be find on Borneo but not really made on borneo the base for the handle is different from the spears on borneo or knife"s
I have an parang sangkit from north borneo but with an moro binding on the hilt like an moro kris but typical parang sangkit blade
I just wanna says if it is a mixed up difficult to say but the blade is not typical borneo style an the handle also not the silver maybe .

12th February 2006, 04:31 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I think Mabagani's idea about the blade originating from a spearhead is interesting. I don't know much about Moro spearheads but I noticed that some Dayak spearheads also are flat with a flat tang. Pict 1 is the X blade next to a Budiak and a Dayak spear. Pict 2 is the Budiak and the X blade from the side. Pict 3 is the Dayak spear and the X blade. Are there any Moro spears that resembles this Dayak spear? Ben/Dajak, I still think Borneo could be a possible origin even if this blade doesn't belong to any of the documented swords. But I am open to more specific arguments why it's impossible that it ever could have been assembled in Borneo? Michael Attached Images

10th February 2006, 09:05 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Mabagani, Interesting twist. "Recycled" spearhead swords seems to be common in f.i. Indonesia. I am not so familiar with Moro spearheads so I have tried to find pictures of any resembling this blade shape but couldn't. Do you have any reference pictures? Michael

10th February 2006, 10:44 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	michael, check the last few posts on this thread... http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001736.html maybe Kino can repost his budiak? btw, how wide is the blade???

11th February 2006, 09:29 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Spunjer, It's 4,5 cm. Nice thread with some great spearheads, thanks. And my blade is just slightly longer than the XXL Budiak posted. I do have a Budiak so I put them next to each other. From bird perspective I agree that there are some resemblance. But looking from the side the Budiak resemblance is lost. Also my blade has both a different tip and tang than a Budiak. If you look at the blade thickness picture above it's obviously much flatter than a Budiak and thinnest at its center. Maybe Mabagani had another kind of spear in mind? Michael

11th February 2006, 04:00 PM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi this is not from borneo the motifs on you can find on many weapons from malay indonesia there is no influence from Borneo on this Item

12th February 2006, 09:18 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael the silverwork could be done everywhere so that is hard to say but it looks more like an Mandaya I had an Mandaya dagger blade did looks a lot like this one . Kampilan was also in Use by the seadayaks but is not from borneo even moro kriss can be find on Borneo but not really made on borneo the base for the handle is different from the spears on borneo or knife"s I have an parang sangkit from north borneo but with an moro binding on the hilt like an moro kris but typical parang sangkit blade I just wanna says if it is a mixed up difficult to say but the blade is not typical borneo style an the handle also not the silver maybe .