naga keris with pamor miring

satsujinken · 29th July 2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Satsujinken,
Although you found this blade in rusty condition, it looks recent to me and quite similar to the ones which you showed us earlier. The pamor pattern may be Eri Wader or Unthuk Banyu, and the blade shape lacks elegance as the luks are uneven.
Regards

Sorry I forgot to sign my name

What do you mean by the luks are uneven ?

This sort of dhapur is rather unique, panji kuda and the luks are made that way

Donny

mariusgmioc · 29th July 2016, 10:44 AM

Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris.

PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

satsujinken · 29th July 2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris.

PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

hahahahaha ... good eye !!

and may you elaborate why you think so ?

mariusgmioc · 29th July 2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by satsujinken

hahahahaha ... good eye !!

and may you elaborate why you think so ?

The high relief "pamor" or whatever it is called is the result of very modern processing... I believe.

Also about everything else looks very similar to the very recent Kerises I saw this year in Indonesia. And some of them were obviously artificially aged.

For example the metal sheath cover looks like being made of pressed & aged aluminium foil attempting to look like silver.

Rafngard · 29th July 2016, 04:19 PM

Despite being recent, the high-relief pamor is kind of a cool effect.

Thanks,
Leif

Rick · 29th July 2016, 04:38 PM

More miring...

I'm wondering if OP's keris has a core, or if it's just pamor material?

A. G. Maisey · 29th July 2016, 11:01 PM

Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality.

Same goes for the wrongko.

Mendak? ugh!

Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either.

Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core.

All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort.

Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely.

If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable.

If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable.

Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.

Jean · 29th July 2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by satsujinken

Sorry I forgot to sign my name

What do you mean by the luks are uneven ?

This sort of dhapur is rather unique, panji kuda and the luks are made that way

Donny

Hello Donny,
This daphur with luks at the base and tip only, and straight in the middle section of the blade may be unique, but it still looks odd in my eyes....
Regards

29th July 2016, 04:19 PM	#5
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 350	Maybe new, but still cool Despite being recent, the high-relief pamor is kind of a cool effect. Thanks, Leif

29th July 2016, 04:38 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	More miring... I'm wondering if OP's keris has a core, or if it's just pamor material? Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 29th July 2016 at 05:32 PM.

29th July 2016, 10:44 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Although I am just a novice in the field, and although it is quite dificult to judge by the photos, I believe this is a very recent Kris. PS: Very recent meaning made probably this year.

29th July 2016, 11:01 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Marius, the pendok is the real deal, not some sort of machine produced garbage. No idea how old it is, if its mamas (unlikely) its pre-WWII, if its brass with poor quality plate its pretty recent, but it was made by hand and in the same way that this type of pendok has been made for a very long time. It might also be white brass. But its real, and really pretty fair quality. Same goes for the wrongko. Mendak? ugh! Blade? nice quality current production, probably no core, but then the very few old ones of these I've handled didn't have a core either. Some pamor motifs cannot be produced with a core, like buntel mayat for instance --- well, that's an untrue statement, they can be produced with a core, but I've never seen one with a core, and I very much doubt that they ever were made with a core. All in all, not a bad keris --- except for that disaster of a mendak --- but its not old. It is artistically not a bad effort. Oh yeah, the dhapur is legitimate. Absolutely. If one's taste is orientated to antiques it is obviously unacceptable. If one's taste is orientated towards keris, and all that this implies, it is very acceptable. Then of course we have the question of value difference between a current era production and an old example of something well made and rare:- this difference can be heart stopping.