OBSIDIAN WEAPONS FROM ADMIRALTY ISLANDS

VANDOO · 22nd July 2016, 03:41 PM

ANOTHER NICE EXAMPLE 23.5INCH LONG (CUT OFF) SPEAR 19TH. CENTURY, CROCODILE DESIGN ON SHAFT.

VANDOO · 29th September 2016, 07:20 AM

A CEREMONIAL ADMIRALTY ISLAND KNIFE/ DAGGER SHAPED LIKE A FISH. 18.5 INCHES LONG MISSING THE OBSIDIAN STONE BLADE BUT THE BLACK ADHESIVE WHERE IT WAS MOUNTED REMAINS. A UNUSUAL, GOOD OLD OCEANIC DAGGER.

Kubur · 29th September 2016, 09:32 AM

In the early 20th c. They produced such tools with European material such as glass bottles and glass from utility electric poles

http://www.donsmaps.com/kimberleypoints.html

VANDOO · 29th September 2016, 07:23 PM

THANKS FOR THE INTERESTING LINK ON THE KIMBERLY GLASS POINTS. THE NATIVE AMERICANS ALSO MADE GLASS POINTS. THE GLASS KIMBERLY POINTS ARE EAGERLY COLLECTED IN AUSTRALIA THESE DAYS. THE ADMIRALTY ISLANDS HAD A LARGE SUPPLY OF GOOD QUALITY OBSIDIAN SO MADE MORE AND LARGER POINTS AND TRADED THEM THRU-OUT THE SURROUNDING ISLANDS. THEY DID NOT DO THE FINE PRESSURE TYPE FLAKING THAT YOU SEE ON THE KIMBERLY POINTS.

VANDOO · 18th October 2016, 01:38 AM

ANOTHER NICE EXAMPLE. "MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH" MAXWELL SMART
76 INCHES LONG

VANDOO · 19th October 2016, 04:38 PM

A OLD BOOK PLATE SHOWING 2 EXAMPLES OF THE OBSIDIAN SPEARS AND OTHER ITEMS FROM MICRONESIA.

Rick · 19th October 2016, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THEY DID NOT DO THE FINE PRESSURE TYPE FLAKING THAT YOU SEE ON THE KIMBERLY POINTS.

Barry, any ideas on the reason for this?
When viewing these points this was the first question that popped into my mind.
Why so crude?

VANDOO · 20th October 2016, 05:57 AM

THE PERCUSSIVE METHOD OF STONE NAPPING IS THE OLDEST. OBSIDIAN IS EASY TO FRACTURE MAKING EXCELLENT KNIVES AND SPEARS WITH LONG SHARP EDGES. WHEN USING A MATERIAL LIKE THIS OBSIDIAN AND SOME OTHER TYPES OF STONE THAT FRACTURE LONG AND CLEAN WITH LONG SHARP EDGES THEY OFTEN STOP THERE. THIS TYPE OF POINT IS FOUND IN AUSTRALIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS IN THE REGION OF THE ADMIRALTY ISLANDS AND PERHAPS IN OTHER REGIONS. THE PERCUSSION AND PRESSURE FLAKING TECHNIQUE CAME ABOUT LATER MOSTLY TO DEAL WITH SHAPING MORE DIFFICULT TYPES OF STONE AND TO MAKE SMALLER MORE COMPLICATED SHAPES. THE MOST TECHNICALLY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE POINTS WERE MADE USING THE OLD PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES AND THE CLOVIS AND FOLSOM POINTS DEVELOPED OVER 10 THOUSAND YEARS AGO WERE THE VERY BEST. THE PRESSURE FLAKING IS PRETTY AND EFFICIENT BUT NO DOUBT CAME ABOUT IN LATER TIMES.

VANDOO · 22nd October 2016, 02:02 AM

#1. FLAKES OR SPALL , OFF A STONE CORE, TOOLS FOR PERCUSSION FLAKING. A ANTLER HAMMER AND AN ANVIL STONE TO PLACE THE STONE CORE ON FOR HAMMER FOR STRIKING OFF FLAKES.
#2., #3. & #4. EXAMPLES OF AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINAL KNIVES DIFFERENT MATERIAL BUT SAME TYPE OF POINTS.
#5. PALEO POINTS, PERCUSSION FLAKING MOST DIFFICULT AND BEST FLAKING TECHNIQUES FOLSOM, CLOVIS, DALTON

19th October 2016, 04:38 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A OLD BOOK PLATE SHOWING 2 EXAMPLES OF THE OBSIDIAN SPEARS AND OTHER ITEMS FROM MICRONESIA. Attached Images

22nd October 2016, 02:02 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. FLAKES OR SPALL , OFF A STONE CORE, TOOLS FOR PERCUSSION FLAKING. A ANTLER HAMMER AND AN ANVIL STONE TO PLACE THE STONE CORE ON FOR HAMMER FOR STRIKING OFF FLAKES. #2., #3. & #4. EXAMPLES OF AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINAL KNIVES DIFFERENT MATERIAL BUT SAME TYPE OF POINTS. #5. PALEO POINTS, PERCUSSION FLAKING MOST DIFFICULT AND BEST FLAKING TECHNIQUES FOLSOM, CLOVIS, DALTON Attached Images

22nd July 2016, 03:41 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ANOTHER NICE EXAMPLE 23.5INCH LONG (CUT OFF) SPEAR 19TH. CENTURY, CROCODILE DESIGN ON SHAFT. Attached Images

29th September 2016, 07:20 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A CEREMONIAL ADMIRALTY ISLAND KNIFE/ DAGGER SHAPED LIKE A FISH. 18.5 INCHES LONG MISSING THE OBSIDIAN STONE BLADE BUT THE BLACK ADHESIVE WHERE IT WAS MOUNTED REMAINS. A UNUSUAL, GOOD OLD OCEANIC DAGGER. Attached Images

29th September 2016, 09:32 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	In the early 20th c. They produced such tools with European material such as glass bottles and glass from utility electric poles http://www.donsmaps.com/kimberleypoints.html

29th September 2016, 07:23 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THANKS FOR THE INTERESTING LINK ON THE KIMBERLY GLASS POINTS. THE NATIVE AMERICANS ALSO MADE GLASS POINTS. THE GLASS KIMBERLY POINTS ARE EAGERLY COLLECTED IN AUSTRALIA THESE DAYS. THE ADMIRALTY ISLANDS HAD A LARGE SUPPLY OF GOOD QUALITY OBSIDIAN SO MADE MORE AND LARGER POINTS AND TRADED THEM THRU-OUT THE SURROUNDING ISLANDS. THEY DID NOT DO THE FINE PRESSURE TYPE FLAKING THAT YOU SEE ON THE KIMBERLY POINTS.

18th October 2016, 01:38 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ANOTHER NICE EXAMPLE. "MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH" MAXWELL SMART 76 INCHES LONG Attached Images

20th October 2016, 05:57 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE PERCUSSIVE METHOD OF STONE NAPPING IS THE OLDEST. OBSIDIAN IS EASY TO FRACTURE MAKING EXCELLENT KNIVES AND SPEARS WITH LONG SHARP EDGES. WHEN USING A MATERIAL LIKE THIS OBSIDIAN AND SOME OTHER TYPES OF STONE THAT FRACTURE LONG AND CLEAN WITH LONG SHARP EDGES THEY OFTEN STOP THERE. THIS TYPE OF POINT IS FOUND IN AUSTRALIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS IN THE REGION OF THE ADMIRALTY ISLANDS AND PERHAPS IN OTHER REGIONS. THE PERCUSSION AND PRESSURE FLAKING TECHNIQUE CAME ABOUT LATER MOSTLY TO DEAL WITH SHAPING MORE DIFFICULT TYPES OF STONE AND TO MAKE SMALLER MORE COMPLICATED SHAPES. THE MOST TECHNICALLY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE POINTS WERE MADE USING THE OLD PERCUSSIVE TECHNIQUES AND THE CLOVIS AND FOLSOM POINTS DEVELOPED OVER 10 THOUSAND YEARS AGO WERE THE VERY BEST. THE PRESSURE FLAKING IS PRETTY AND EFFICIENT BUT NO DOUBT CAME ABOUT IN LATER TIMES.