what type of warangka of this kris

Gavin Nugent · 20th July 2016, 11:56 AM

Welcome Loyah,

That is a nice Keris. The hilt type I have seen in various panjang dress, I recently sold one like it, have seen others but have also kept one like yours in my collections too.

I look forward to hearing what those with more experience in Sumatran Keris Panjang have to say.

Gavin

A. G. Maisey · 20th July 2016, 02:17 PM

Lose one or gain one Gavin.

With that number you're really tempting fate.

loyah · 20th July 2016, 04:04 PM

Thanks for the greetings guys,

I am aware that the forum members have very beautiful keris photos postings.
Sorry . I only have that one picture for reference for the time being,

I must say it almost 90% if not identical resembles the one that Gavin has in his collection. Rings / cincin on the sarong. Should have been that beauty under good hands.

This keris belonged to my ancestor. tracing the family lineage.. the warangka style maybe from Siak , riau , bangkinang to Minang.

almost similar style is keris kusriwa. which is said from kelantan malaysia

regards

Loyah

Gavin Nugent · 21st July 2016, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by loyah

Thanks for the greetings guys,

I am aware that the forum members have very beautiful keris photos postings.
Sorry . I only have that one picture for reference for the time being,

I must say it almost 90% if not identical resembles the one that Gavin has in his collection. Rings / cincin on the sarong. Should have been that beauty under good hands.

This keris belonged to my ancestor. tracing the family lineage.. the warangka style maybe from Siak , riau , bangkinang to Minang.

almost similar style is keris kusriwa. which is said from kelantan malaysia

regards

Loyah

Loyah,

My initial searches in to this keris type origins lead me to Minang regions... but the more I looked, I also found similarities in Palembang carving too...so the more I looked, the less I knew.
Zonneveld, figure 205 is also from this group of keris, from the collection of WILLEN VAN DER POST.
Further discussions here, I am sure, in time, will reveal more about the specific origins.
To quote Robert Palmer, "Ooh, I'm looking for clues"

Gavin

A. G. Maisey · 21st July 2016, 02:49 AM

OK Gavin, lose two or gain two.

ferrylaki · 21st July 2016, 06:10 AM

i've never seen a keris panjang having tikel alis and sogokan like this before.
i'm fascinated and curious. this is a new experience for me

Jean · 21st July 2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ferrylaki

i've never seen a keris panjang having tikel alis and sogokan like this before.
i'm fascinated and curious. this is a new experience for me

Yeah, this keris panjang is different from the standard pieces from Bangkinang/ Riau from the blade (sogokan and tikel alis), the shape of the sampir (not dua hari bulan), the gandar with wide silver rings and a flat tip?, and the shape of the tapak kuda hilt. I visited Bukittinggi (Minang country) 20 years ago and remember to have seen some keris panjang with similar features (gandar with silver rings especially) so it may be correct to attribute the origin of this keris to this region.
Loyah, could you please tell us which is the area of origin of your ancestor?
Regards

Gavin Nugent · 21st July 2016, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

OK Gavin, lose two or gain two.

Is safe Alan, it is an old display :-)

Gavin Nugent · 21st July 2016, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Lose one or gain one Gavin.

With that number you're really tempting fate.

It is but a small part of them Alan, my money is always on odds :-) It is one of my lucky numbers :-)

Marcokeris · 20th July 2016, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Welcome Loyah,

That is a nice Keris. The hilt type I have seen in various panjang dress, I recently sold one like it, have seen others but have also kept one like yours in my collections too.

I look forward to hearing what those with more experience in Sumatran Keris Panjang have to say.

Gavin

nice collection **

kai · 22nd July 2016, 10:25 PM

Hello Gavin,

Another example will certainly help the discussion - please add close-ups (hilt, scabbard crosspiece & stem, and base of blade)!

Regards,
Kai

Gustav · 28th July 2016, 04:59 PM

It is a Minang Keris Panjang, and most probably a quite old one, pre-19th cent. or even earlier. This could be a blade for which Minang were famous - "At Menancabo excellent poniards made, called creeses; best weapons of all Orient" (Argensola, 1609). Marsden is a good lecture on this subject.

Another variant of this type of Sampir posted recently here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21714

Regarding this Sampir style Dave Henkel a while ago wrote:

"Properly speaking this sampir style in Kelantan is known as a sampir "pucuk kacang". My understanding at this point is that the term Ku Sriwa is an attribution to a group of kerises with this style of sheath to an aristocractic Kelantanese of that name. Ku (Tengku) Sriwa is supposed to have lived around the turn of the 20th century and is reported to be an historic figure."

20th July 2016, 11:56 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Welcome Loyah, That is a nice Keris. The hilt type I have seen in various panjang dress, I recently sold one like it, have seen others but have also kept one like yours in my collections too. I look forward to hearing what those with more experience in Sumatran Keris Panjang have to say. Gavin Attached Images

20th July 2016, 02:17 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Lose one or gain one Gavin. With that number you're really tempting fate.

20th July 2016, 04:04 PM	#3
loyah Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3	Thanks for the greetings guys, I am aware that the forum members have very beautiful keris photos postings. Sorry . I only have that one picture for reference for the time being, I must say it almost 90% if not identical resembles the one that Gavin has in his collection. Rings / cincin on the sarong. Should have been that beauty under good hands. This keris belonged to my ancestor. tracing the family lineage.. the warangka style maybe from Siak , riau , bangkinang to Minang. almost similar style is keris kusriwa. which is said from kelantan malaysia regards Loyah

21st July 2016, 02:49 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	OK Gavin, lose two or gain two.

21st July 2016, 06:10 AM	#6
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	i've never seen a keris panjang having tikel alis and sogokan like this before. i'm fascinated and curious. this is a new experience for me

22nd July 2016, 10:25 PM	#11
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Gavin, Another example will certainly help the discussion - please add close-ups (hilt, scabbard crosspiece & stem, and base of blade)! Regards, Kai

28th July 2016, 04:59 PM	#12
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	It is a Minang Keris Panjang, and most probably a quite old one, pre-19th cent. or even earlier. This could be a blade for which Minang were famous - "At Menancabo excellent poniards made, called creeses; best weapons of all Orient" (Argensola, 1609). Marsden is a good lecture on this subject. Another variant of this type of Sampir posted recently here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21714 Regarding this Sampir style Dave Henkel a while ago wrote: "Properly speaking this sampir style in Kelantan is known as a sampir "pucuk kacang". My understanding at this point is that the term Ku Sriwa is an attribution to a group of kerises with this style of sheath to an aristocractic Kelantanese of that name. Ku (Tengku) Sriwa is supposed to have lived around the turn of the 20th century and is reported to be an historic figure."