Afghan Pulowar blade type?

kronckew · 19th July 2016, 08:22 AM

poor thing, it needs TLC and feeding to recover from the trauma of it's past life. i recommend sending it to me immediately so i can hug her and squeeze her and fuss over her. i'd return her eventually, i promise. shouldn't take more than a few decades or so. i'd not even charge you for her room and board.

anyway, have to go get a towel to wipe the drool off my keyboard. she's gorgeous whatever her past.

mariusgmioc · 19th July 2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

poor thing, it needs TLC and feeding to recover from the trauma of it's past life. i recommend sending it to me immediately so i can hug her and squeeze her and fuss over her. i'd return her eventually, i promise. shouldn't take more than a few decades or so. i'd not even charge you for her room and board.

anyway, have to go get a towel to wipe the drool off my keyboard. she's gorgeous whatever her past.

I am sure your message would have made proud the swordsmith who made it!

But what do you think: European or Indian blade?!

ariel · 19th July 2016, 11:11 AM

Indian.

kronckew · 19th July 2016, 12:07 PM

ditto.

mariusgmioc · 19th July 2016, 01:31 PM

Thank you!

Jim McDougall · 19th July 2016, 07:17 PM

While the brief responses are quite correct, I thought it might be helpful to offer a few extra words to explain why this blade is Indian for others who read here and future researchers.
If you note at the edge of the blade, the extended blocked section at the root which is blunt. This is inherently present in most cases on these blades to the point of being termed by Rawson, "the Indian ricasso'.

While the sword itself is known as a 'paluoar' typically attributed to Afghanistan, it must be noted that until the 20th century, these regions were known collectively in the British Raj as northern India. In Egerton (1884), these are depicted with other tulwars and classified 'Indian'. There are certain inherent characteristics which are sometimes found hybridized in regular form tulwars, which can often presumably offer potential classification of these to northern regions, perhaps Sind and Baluchistan. These would include the quartered guard with floral device or other fixture at center; the vertically fluted grip and the pierced openwork as instances.

As discussions through the years here have revealed, the term 'paluaor' is unknown in referring to these swords, which reflect the profound influence from the Deccan probably via ongoing diplomatic and cultural channels.

mariusgmioc · 19th July 2016, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

While the brief responses are quite correct, I thought it might be helpful to offer a few extra words to explain why this blade is Indian for others who read here and future researchers.

Thank you very much for the explanations!

At least for me, they are most welcomed.

BANDOOK · 20th July 2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

While the brief responses are quite correct, I thought it might be helpful to offer a few extra words to explain why this blade is Indian for others who read here and future researchers.
If you note at the edge of the blade, the extended blocked section at the root which is blunt. This is inherently present in most cases on these blades to the point of being termed by Rawson, "the Indian ricasso'.

While the sword itself is known as a 'paluoar' typically attributed to Afghanistan, it must be noted that until the 20th century, these regions were known collectively in the British Raj as northern India. In Egerton (1884), these are depicted with other tulwars and classified 'Indian'. There are certain inherent characteristics which are sometimes found hybridized in regular form tulwars, which can often presumably offer potential classification of these to northern regions, perhaps Sind and Baluchistan. These would include the quartered guard with floral device or other fixture at center; the vertically fluted grip and the pierced openwork as instances.

As discussions through the years here have revealed, the term 'paluaor' is unknown in referring to these swords, which reflect the profound influence from the Deccan probably via ongoing diplomatic and cultural channels.

GREAT INFORMATION JIM,MANY THANKS

19th July 2016, 08:22 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	poor thing, it needs TLC and feeding to recover from the trauma of it's past life. i recommend sending it to me immediately so i can hug her and squeeze her and fuss over her. i'd return her eventually, i promise. shouldn't take more than a few decades or so. i'd not even charge you for her room and board. anyway, have to go get a towel to wipe the drool off my keyboard. she's gorgeous whatever her past.

19th July 2016, 11:11 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Indian.

19th July 2016, 12:07 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	ditto.

19th July 2016, 01:31 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Thank you!

19th July 2016, 07:17 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,278	While the brief responses are quite correct, I thought it might be helpful to offer a few extra words to explain why this blade is Indian for others who read here and future researchers. If you note at the edge of the blade, the extended blocked section at the root which is blunt. This is inherently present in most cases on these blades to the point of being termed by Rawson, "the Indian ricasso'. While the sword itself is known as a 'paluoar' typically attributed to Afghanistan, it must be noted that until the 20th century, these regions were known collectively in the British Raj as northern India. In Egerton (1884), these are depicted with other tulwars and classified 'Indian'. There are certain inherent characteristics which are sometimes found hybridized in regular form tulwars, which can often presumably offer potential classification of these to northern regions, perhaps Sind and Baluchistan. These would include the quartered guard with floral device or other fixture at center; the vertically fluted grip and the pierced openwork as instances. As discussions through the years here have revealed, the term 'paluaor' is unknown in referring to these swords, which reflect the profound influence from the Deccan probably via ongoing diplomatic and cultural channels.